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Post by Velkontés on Apr 7, 2014 7:09:47 GMT -5
Holy shit the fucking streak is broken! But why lesnar? Time makes fools of us all. Seriously, it actually makes perfect sense. The other day I saw a mention to the fact that it was 5 years ago since Michaels vs Undertaker I. Fuck man, five years. So it's been six years since he beat Edge, back when he was a spritely 43 years old, and since then he's faced two guys of similar status, but also in the twilight of their career - HBK & HHH. And last year it was CM Punk, but fuck him. Lesnar is in his prime. Time caught up with Undertaker just like time catches up with us all. Also Lesnar jobbed to Goldberg and had to sell for CM Punk, so they owed him. So yeah, I NEVER saw it coming (he's a part timer! the build has been crappy! they've gotta save the Streak for Cena or Sting or [insert name of Next Big Thing]!), but with hindsight you can say it's a stroke of genius, because LOOK at the reaction of all the fans after the fall. They got us. They got us good. Triple H vs Dan Bryan was ungodly good. I got a big laugh out of HHH resurrecting his Conan the Barbarian throne for old time's sake. Postmodern Triple H is a lot of fun (I'm going to BURY - wink wink - Daniel Bryan). On the other hand, the Main Event did its job. Booking a 14 Diva Clusterfuck and then still having AJ tap out her main rival in the middle was an interesting choice.
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Post by GLF on Apr 7, 2014 13:13:58 GMT -5
Sums up the Taker match. Never saw it coming! It was a poor match though and I have read that Taker collapsed soon after getting backstage and was taken to hospital. Can see him in the hall of fame next year. ![](http://giant.gfycat.com/RaggedFlawlessDachshund.gif)
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Post by Champ on Apr 7, 2014 22:52:03 GMT -5
It definitely wasn't one of the better streak matches GLF. The crowd was actually not that into it either. I would go as far as saying that every one of them going back to the match with Batista 7 yrs ago were all better than this one. I was actually kind of bored Til the end. But yeah, Taker collapsed and Vince missed the main event because he went to the hospital with taker. He had a bad concussion but will be ok. I guess it coincidentally goes to show that it really is time for him to wrap things up Holy shit the fucking streak is broken! But why lesnar? So yeah, I NEVER saw it coming (he's a part timer! the build has been crappy! they've gotta save the Streak for Cena or Sting or [insert name of Next Big Thing]!), but with hindsight you can say it's a stroke of genius, because LOOK at the reaction of all the fans after the fall. They got us. They got us good. First, Don't mind my grammar with apostrophes and lower case/upper case letters in not present/in the wrong spots in these posts. It's hard from my phone. I've been wanting to say that for a while lol Hindsight really is 20/20. About an hour after it settled in I was thinking, that was one of the greatest, if not THE greatest, wwe moment(s) ever! What I love about wwe is, that kind of epic story telling could never be done anywhere else. 23 years after takers first mania, this moment was created in one night after a simple 3 count. It's incredible and it makes me proud to be a fan. The shock and the look on everyone's faces is something I will remember forever. It's just brilliant man. It really is. But Lesnar DOES make sense because you really don't want to risk over legitimizing one of the current guys and also risk ruining them with all this resentment. No one on the roster is really worth a sensitive rub like that. You can work with a lot more by having a straight up hated monster of a guy being 'that guy'. No matter what, the streak ending is heart breaking. May as well use that heartbreak for major heel momentum. It's funny how something like this actually has to happen to become clear. I thought cena and the streak had to happen but, he would've broken it and someone would've shanked him lol. But with lesnar, now you can book HIM as the guy to beat and the guy to put over someone on the roster because, talk about easy baby face heat! Now imagine Roman reigns vs Brock lesnar and going over him, he will be a hero. Taker is done. Brock lesnar basically is the man now. He's the guy to beat. I just hope the one thing we get out of this is Brock is going to stick around long enough to give it back and have some good profiling feuds. Even if the opponents don't win the match, it's the same thing as the streak, the effort speaks volumes. The night was just awesome at getting guys over. Cesaro slamming the giant over the top rope was awesome. Again, they gave the rub to the right guy. The main event was actually better than the triple h match. I thought it would be the other way around. I would've liked to have seen more of "a match" out of the shield, but I get the point. They had the shield make a huge statement as oppose to telling a story John cena vs bray Wyatt was pretty much what I expected. It was a GOOD match, not fantastic, but enjoyable and I think they did the right thing having cena go over. Now they can have a rematch and have bray beat him even more decisively. Again, good story telling. It's one thing to give a guy a rub and it's another thing to make him earn it. Bray is in the middle of earning it, and he will get it too. You HAD to mark out for the opening segment with stone cold, hogan and rock, just for a nostalgic historical moment. Divas match: .......what can you say? Should we feel sorry for them? I feel sorry for a few of them, the ones that can actually wrestle and don't get to prove it. But, the fact that wwe books them them as a constant on going circus is just a waste of time on everyone's hands. Anyone see Emma vs Paige on NXT arrival last month? You know, if I were them, I would fight to stay on NXT! They really got a chance to kick ass and they did. But that aside... I'm very happy as a fan right now, especially after the streak match, while the other 98% are miserable, because of the streak. Go figure. In just 3+ months, 2014 has been their best year, BY FAR, in at least 10 yrs. The network is great, the new guys like the shield and Wyatts on the roster trying to be the best and bringing a real competition feel back, and again, the epic streak moment last night, I'm very positive about wwe right now.
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Post by Velkontés on Apr 8, 2014 6:59:21 GMT -5
Hindsight really is 20/20. About an hour after it settled in I was thinking, that was one of the greatest, if not THE greatest, wwe moment(s) ever! What I love about wwe is, that kind of epic story telling could never be done anywhere else. 23 years after takers first mania, this moment was created in one night after a simple 3 count. It's incredible and it makes me proud to be a fan. The shock and the look on everyone's faces is something I will remember forever. It's just brilliant man. It really is. Yeah, spot on, for once "epic" is exactly the right word. The beautiful part about it is that it wasn't some stupid TNA-ish shocking out-of-nowhere twist. It was something that made absolute sense once you've had time to let it sink in and think about it. I would disagree very very slightly in the sense that if you are some young pup on the roster, you should be trampling over a pile of corpses to get to be that guy. It's a challenge that you should be up for, even if it is a risky play. Is there anyone on that roster who deserves it? Well, that's another question. I mean, they could have had CM Punk do it last year, and look how that would have turned out.
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Post by Naitch on Apr 11, 2014 12:15:07 GMT -5
My Wrestlemania thoughts. A little different this time, as Mrs. Naitch actually watched a wrestling show with me. Important caveat, I had watched the HHH doc on WWE network right before WM XXX and she had also watched that with me. Also, this is her second wrestling show with me, the first being an Impact in the winter of 2008.
Four Way Tag- I thought the Usos did a fine damn job of hyping that shit up. I got excited for the night. Mrs. Naitch thought Cesaro was cute and was hoping he would win. She also wanted Jack Swagger to get hospitalized for his actions after the match.
Bryan vs HHH- Remember how I said we watched the HHH doc before this? She was firmly on Team HHH and Steph. We almost got divorced. I was happy with the outcome, she was not. HHH was really the biggest face in the world to her.
Shield vs Authority- It was a squash and it was quick. That is all of my thoughts. Mrs. Naitch didn't like the one sidedness of it all but did enjoy Reigns.
Battle Royal- Awesome ending. Really all there is to say about that. It will be overlooked due to things later in the show but great ending. Mrs. Naitch was happy Cesaro got one over on Swagger (her conclusion, not mine.)
Wyatt vs Cena- I really liked this match with the exception Cena going all Superman at the end. Mrs. Naitch hated Bray from the start and was rooting for Cena because she had heard of him before.
Taker vs Lesnar- If you want a Mania moment you have to remember beggers can't be choosers, and that is what we got. The biggest Mania moment of our lives. Once Brock got the pin Mrs. Naitch just said "Let me guess, the legacy is over" and laughed mockingly. Strike two pregnant dog.
Diva's invitational- Everyone agreed it was a hot mess.
Bryan vs Batista vs Orton- Mrs. Naitch was strongly for anyone but Bryan, because of that damn HHH doc. I was very happy with how it played out. Also, Mrs Naitch changed her mind on Bryan after that little girl came in the ring after he won.
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Post by MasterSnit on Apr 11, 2014 17:46:06 GMT -5
It sounds like we all at least enjoyed the show, and I personally think it might go down as one of the best WrestleManias ever, not just in recent years.
Bryan v Triple H was a really good opener and the triple threat was better than I thought it would be. I loved the video package they did for Bryan before the match. Bryan winning and yessing with 75,000 fans in the Silverdome was very satisfying.
"It's good to be back in the Silverdome." The opening segment was really cool. Austin was by far my favourite part of it though. I still kinda wanted Austin to stunner Hogan and Rock after they toasted the beers. Just because.
The streak ending left me numb. People say, "I can't believe it!" or "That's unbelievable" all the time without really meaning it, but I really did not believe, or accept that the ref had counted three. At no point during the match did I actually think for a second Brock would win until Undertaker was spinning through the air, on his way down to the canvas again for a third F-5. I thought, "Uh... he's not kicking out of a third" and sure enough he didn't. I was lying down with my cat sleeping on me and if I wasn't so stunned April 6th would have been the day cats learned how to fly. It still feels weird talking about the Undertaker being 21-1. The more days pass, the more I am becoming OK with it. Just letting it settle and sink in properly. But I can't convey how disappointed I am, the Undertaker is my favourite wrestler and pretty much has been since I was a boy and excitedly watched him beat Hogan one Tuesday in Texas to win the WWF title. To see him go out like that hurt. It wasn't even so much that he got beat, but he looked like such a broken man in there that it made it sad on multiple levels. I'm sad as a wrestling fan that the one remaining thing I really cared about, The Streak, is over, and it is also sad that the Undertaker has seemingly pushed himself too far and carried on a little too long to his own obvious detriment. I'm sure we will all look back on the match a month, or a year down the line and think very differently about it than we initially did, but the feelings are still quite raw at the moment and I feel like a big part of my wrestling fan soul died when the streak did.
Disappointment aside, the crowd reactions to Undertaker's defeat were brilliant. Although I began to get a little worried for Daniel Bryan because the wind got sucked out of that place and I don't think the fans really got over it and got their voices back until about halfway through the main event.
The Shield running over the old guys made sense. I suppose not all matches can be 15-20 minute potential show stealers. I just thought The Shield deserved a bit better, but the manner in which they won did make them look really strong.
Cesaro arriving was great to see.
Cena v Wyatt was also a good match. I think Cena winning was the right way to go, and it was likely never going to be the best part of the show, but it was a fun match.
Even AJ winning the Divas match was satisfying.
It was a really solid show. I just wish the Undertaker won! LOL.
.. Oh wait. Tuesday in Texas was when Hogan won the belt right back from Undertaker. That senile old bastard.
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Post by Champ on Apr 11, 2014 22:29:57 GMT -5
My feelings with the streak are this...
If you asked me 6-7 yrs ago, should the streak be broken? I would say, absolutely not. It's a nice little honor to have, let him leave with that accolade. But then, Shawn michaels happened lol. Their first match, I confidentially will say after I have had 5 yrs to let that masterpiece of a match sink in, it was the greatest match I've ever seen. But it set the bar so god damn high. After 4 yrs of DX putting over the streak, it made me realize that the streak has become so huge that it's almost even bigger than wrestlemania. At this point, Taker is truly THE GUY to beat now.
So with that said, imagine Taker retires with the streak in tact. It doesn't feel right that "the ultimate guy to beat" is now watching wrestlemania from the sidelines. I knew after the hbk and triple h matches, the streak had to be broken. No one wanted to see it, but it really kind of needed to happen. I didn't want it to be Brock lesnar. But wow, what a moment, and a lot of the reason was because it was him. But it's not always about pushes and putting guys over. There are a lot of ways to look at it. This created a moment we have never seen and it makes Brock scary legit. Like I mentioned in my last post, imagine what kind of face heat this can snowball into THROUGH Brock. The fans HATE this guy right now and they're even a little scared and intimidated by a heel for the first time in a long time. The first guy to knock Brock off at mania is going to be our new hero. It won't be the same as ending the streak but it's perfect redemption. It's actually really cool to think about where they can go from here
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Post by MasterSnit on Apr 13, 2014 18:45:13 GMT -5
Yeah, I can understand now why they did it, but as a huge Undertaker fan I don't think I'll ever agree that it was the right move. Maybe in time, but just not now. Lol. So, does everyone think he is done for good? That was it? Or will they have him come back for redemption next year? Imagine that, the Undertaker returning to face the guy who finally beat him at WrestleMania. The guy who didn't just beat him, but almost ended him. Undertaker would be a huge underdog this time around and with the correct build they could build it up as a final fling for the once dominant old lion looking to exact some revenge on the younger, stronger lion who finally stepped up and savaged him. Win or lose, Undertaker could make it clear that it would be his final battle. Nobody would really know who would win, which would be unusual for an Undertaker match at Mania. In fact, most would probably expect him to lose, so imagine how involved the crowd would get trying to will Undertaker on to one final moment of glory. I'm getting myself all hyped up already! 22-1 ![::)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/eyesroll.png)
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Post by Velkontés on Apr 14, 2014 12:59:51 GMT -5
The problem with that is you're expecting that match to somehow not be terrible, despite Undertaker being a year older and more crippled than he was in this year's crappy match. Enough is enough, he's already gone above and beyond the call of duty, let the man enjoy retirement banging his hot wife.
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Post by MasterSnit on Apr 14, 2014 16:05:45 GMT -5
Undertaker must have divorced Michelle McCool. I wasn't aware of that. Who is his new hot wife? I thought they should have made this year's match a No DQ in order to give them more options because we all kind of expected the match to be relatively poor, just not as bad as it ended up being. At least with a No DQ they could have stretched the match out more and exerted themselves in just a few eye-catching spots during the match. It does all depend on how much Undertaker has left in him. I'm sure I read something about a year ago that suggested he was going to try to continue for a few more years. Right now, I do expect him to return at some point early next year. By the way, this has been my life for the past week. ![:'(](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/cry.png)
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Post by MasterSnit on Mar 14, 2015 17:52:37 GMT -5
Does anyone else agree that the Road to WrestleMania this year is a dusty backroad covered in manure? I just saw them try to put Bryan down, or hype the ladder match by having Ziggler and Ambrose call him a "turd". Every single one of them looked like a jackass.
I feel a little sorry for Paul Heyman because he is coming out every week and trying his best to put Roman Reigns over but people just don't care. Heyman talks about some Samoan badass who would have wiped the floor with Sammartino, Andre, Hogan, etc, and then out comes Roman Reigns with Zombie eyes, a meek grin and a promo that would make Jumpin Jeff Farmer laugh. Beating Rusev for the US title would have been perfect for Reigns before firing him into the main event scene, and Bryan vs Lesnar is a main event I doubt anyone would have complained about. The only way I can see them salvaging the situation is if they have Heyman dump Brock in favour of Roman 'The Next Next Big Thing' Reigns and have Reigns run with the title as a heel and with a much needed promo guy in Heyman.
I am trying but I can't muster up much interest for Sting vs Triple H.
Undertaker is my guy, so it'll be cool to see him wrestle again, but I'm not captivated by the Wyatt match. Got to give Wyatt some credit though, he is doing everything by himself to build the match.
Cena vs Rusev is only going to be good if Rusev wins. I'm gonna puke if "John Cena does it for America!" and start my own "Nyet!" chant.
The feuds with Miz and Mizdown, and Stardust and Goldust have had long detailed builds and I would have liked to see a couple of matches be the result of months of build, but instead they aren't really doing anything with it. Mizdow will probably eliminate Miz in the battle royale.
I'm not too optimistic for this one, so I'm hoping they have one or two things up their sleeve for the event.
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Post by Velkontés on Mar 17, 2015 14:07:04 GMT -5
Yeah, this one's been a dud so far. It wouldn't have been as bad if they had given Dan Bryan something to do, even if it wasn't going to be the main event. It just seems really strange that they've thrown one of their biggest Faces into a random ladder match. Is that seriously the best they can do with him? Really is pretty damning of their shitty writers.
I've seen a suggestion that Undertaker should come back in his biker persona. That wouldn't be a bad switch-up.
I still care about HHH vs Sting, but I feel like there should be more on the line for this. It feels like The Authority is going to last forever, like Aces & 8s.
I actually think the event itself will be pretty good in spite of itself. There might not be an out-and-out classic, but I think a lot of the matches have the potential to be very good. It's just a shame the angles are so crappy.
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Post by Champ on May 18, 2015 19:42:23 GMT -5
The overall writing makes no fucking sense. I actually miss the days of s h i t t y w r i t i n g because it is so much worse now! At least smackdown and ECW Was good. Now it all sucks
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Post by MasterSnit on Jan 30, 2016 16:39:48 GMT -5
So, all aboard again?
So Triple H vs Roman seems like the most likely main event. Bleh...
I'm stumped as to who the Undertaker faces this year. I thought this one might have been his last seeing as it's in Texas, but I think they would have started hyping it before now if that was going to be the case. Then again that might cast a shadow over everything else, so maybe best keeping it quiet. Maybe the Rock wants to take the challenge this year. I'd be cool with that.
The only thing I can think of right now that has to happen at WrestleMania is New Day gets a big entrance with about 200 other Francescas backing up Francesca 2 as they walk down the ramp.
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Post by Velkontés on Jan 31, 2016 13:09:32 GMT -5
I'm going to be lazy and just copy and paste what I predicted about last year's event, because I see the same thing happening this year:
Dunno about the Undertaker, I could see him in a tag team match this year. I would say against the Wyatts, but Lesnar pretty much owned 3/4 of them on his own in the Rumble.
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