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Raw
Aug 21, 2014 10:58:56 GMT -5
Post by Naitch on Aug 21, 2014 10:58:56 GMT -5
No one here is going to argue that Reigns is over like rover. It just feels weird that post Shield he has the same outfit, mannerisms, music and entrance while Ambrose and Rollins aren't even recognizable to there Shield days. That's all I was trying to say.
I think Bryan is over like Rover for 3 reasons.
1. His time in NXT as an overly sympathetic face taking a rash of shit from Miz and Michael Cole.
2. The ECW cities have been and probably will always be solidly behind him.
3. That 18 second loss at Wrestlemania.
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Post by Champ on Aug 21, 2014 22:49:59 GMT -5
I actually loved Bryan with Kane and when he was a bratty dynamic character and not so much heel or face. I don't hate him in the ring. I will be the first to even say his match against Wyatt was easily one of the greatest matches this year(like mentioned on the other thread). I was really just pointing out that I still feel like I haven't seen why he's THE best out there yet. Even when he was getting pushed for mania I agreed completely he was the guy for the spot. I also hate what his main event character turned into. He cuts the same promo over and over thanking the fans and telling the authority they're full of crap(blame writers for that) and there are no layers to his main event persona.
Speaking of that 18 second loss at mania. I saw the Bryan road to mania on the network and it talked about how his 18 second loss is what kick started the yes revolution. They had to bring him out after raw to satisfy the crowd chanting yes. The thing is, he's shown he can play off of people well and play a good character. This goes back to the point I brought up about reigns and main eventers in general these days. Once wwe gets them to that glass ceiling it's like they water them down. I don't know why they keep doing that. I guess when you have a specific guy you're relying on, there are precautionary approaches you have to take to booking them
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Raw
Aug 22, 2014 2:13:36 GMT -5
Post by Velkontés on Aug 22, 2014 2:13:36 GMT -5
He had indy cred, so they gave him Sports Entertainment angles (weddings! huggings! group therapy!) and he knocked every single one out of the park. This despite not being the most natural speaker on the mic. People responded to that.
Compare it to Low Ki / Kaval, he got paired with one of the most entertaining acts in the company at the time (LayCool) and he bombed.
I would love to see Brock still holding the title at the next Money in the Bank PPV, and Triple H is backstage with Seth Rollins telling him it's the last day he can cash it in, and Seth is shitting his pants.
Seeing how this AJ / Paige thing is going, do you think they would be crazy enough to put them in a Hell in a Cell match? That PPV is only a couple months away.
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Post by Champ on Aug 22, 2014 12:56:12 GMT -5
Shit a lot of these chicks talk about wanting to show that they can kill it in the ring like the men. Why the hell not have a chick hell in a cell match? Personally I would love to see two bad ass chicks get in there and really show what they are made of. I think a lot of it, again, has to do with creative. If you gave most of these "divas" a chance, I wouldn't be surprised if they were willing to hit each other with chairs and kendo sticks or go through a table. The thing is, at least give them an opportunity to do it. If they say no, then let them simply turn down the opportunity to shine and let the chicks that really want to do it, get in a cell one day and show what they're made of. Paige and AJ is a good start
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Raw
Aug 23, 2014 14:03:41 GMT -5
Post by Velkontés on Aug 23, 2014 14:03:41 GMT -5
At the moment if you ask "which two feuds seem most likely heading for a HIAC match", you would say Dean/Seth and Paige/AJ. AJ actually did a really good job on Raw of being really fucking creepy.
Usually in wrestling it's a creepy LESBIAN stalker angle, but here it's more of a creepy lesbian stalker angle.
I think now they've long moved away from doing crazy Mick Foley stunts off/through the cell, there's no reason why they couldn't do one with two competent female workers, and these two are the best they've had in a decade.
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Raw
Aug 24, 2014 17:02:40 GMT -5
Post by MasterSnit on Aug 24, 2014 17:02:40 GMT -5
I'd also like to see Paige v AJ in a cell.
As for Daniel Bryan's popularity, I think lots of fans know that he is a genuinely good and humble guy, so that makes it easy for people to get behind him.
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Raw
Aug 26, 2014 7:52:19 GMT -5
Post by Velkontés on Aug 26, 2014 7:52:19 GMT -5
Roman Reigns waiting until a week AFTER his former buddy got his head crushed through a cinder block to go after Rollins seems very Cena-ish for some reason.
Speaking of, I cannot believe they would spend 9 months having Brock kill Big Show, end the Streak, and destroy Cena... just to have him job the title back a MONTH later? That... that can't be right can it? Getting "John Cena joins Nexus" and "John Cena gets fired by Nexus" deja vu.
Assholes chanting CM Punk during another great AJ/Paige segment. Jesus. It's not funny or clever any more. "CM Punk" is the new "what".
Nikki is a better actress than Brie. In the same way that any number is larger than zero. Admittedly I only saw a clip and not the whole thing.
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Raw
Aug 30, 2014 17:38:20 GMT -5
Post by MasterSnit on Aug 30, 2014 17:38:20 GMT -5
Speaking of, I cannot believe they would spend 9 months having Brock kill Big Show, end the Streak, and destroy Cena... just to have him job the title back a MONTH later? That... that can't be right can it? Getting "John Cena joins Nexus" and "John Cena gets fired by Nexus" deja vu. Yeah, I still think Brock is going to destroy him again, but Cena's booking is so unpredictable. If Cena takes a beating but ultimately beats Lesnar again and Rollins' music hits, I would consider Rollins an underdog in that match. Cena always beats the odds. It was never funny. I can't stand those chants either. Every time they start up I wonder exactly what they are trying to achieve. It's not like he got fired, he left. No need for a protest. Although, I would laugh if a crowd managed to start up a "Randy Savage" chant during a Stephanie promo. I already can't wait for Ambrose to come back. The way they are messing with Cesaro is getting really annoying. One week they are pushing him, the next he is a jobber. He's not the only one either. There seems to be a method of booking in WWE where a wrestler is seemingly going to be getting pushed, so they put months of effort into a character, then all of a sudden they waste all the hard work and pull the rug out. Only to then try and start again a month, six months or a year down the line, only it is then so much harder to recreate after jobbing someone out for so long. Looks like The Wyatts are next up. When I saw that it was Cena v Bray on RAW, I thought it would be a perfect opportunity to have Bray beat Cena to keep Cena looking vulnerable and help Bray reclaim his credibility, but I should have known better, instead Cena essentially beat the whole family.
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Raw
Aug 31, 2014 6:38:04 GMT -5
Post by Velkontés on Aug 31, 2014 6:38:04 GMT -5
Yeah, they've been doing the stop-start pushes for at least a decade and it seems so counter-productive.
And yeah, I know CM PUNK CM PUNK wasn't funny to start with, but I was trying to examine the mindset of these dipshits who clearly do - it's 8 months later! what is the fucking point! You've got two talented performers putting on an entertaining segment for you! Why even bother showing up if this is what you're going to do?
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Post by Champ on Sept 7, 2014 18:31:57 GMT -5
I can't quote anything on this stupid phone unless it's one quote so I'll just comment on what I remember
Nikki is definitely a better actress than Brie. Brie is fucking terrible. I keep thinking back to Kane with Daniel Bryan's car, aaaaaah aaaaaah no no aaaaaah Daniel! Then when she calls Stephanie a pregnant dog or a piece of TRASH, like crescendo delivery every time she makes a statement. Nikki actually really surprised me. She was so ruthless it was great. She definitely outshined Brie completely in those segments. Nikki even got hotter too(I guess that means I switched Bella teams lol) Nikki has been doing that Olympic lifting and looks thick and awesome and Brie is looking anorexic these days. I saw the Bellas from 08 on the network and you really can see the difference now. But yeah, Nikki is definitely the one higher up on my Bella chart at the moment.
I still think cena is losing. But I think the match is going to be a total Brock ass kicking this time with Brock squeaking out the win. They're going to have cena beat his ass and something will happen where it will take a couple F5s or a fucking roll up to beat him.
CM DIE already! I HATE these fucking chants! CM punk IS NOT COMING BACK! He couldn't care less about any of these idiots chanting his name. He's just an angry bitter prick. He's done with wrestling. He did all he could do for the business. He was good be he was not that fucking good. Let's be real. He was overrated. He was great as the straight edged savior. Then he cut one great "worked" promo that everyone thought was a shoot and it made him famous for a few years. What's funny is, people on the internet are saying punk left because they were screwing him and they don't blame him. Yeah, a 434 day title reign in this era and a match against undertaker and triple h at mania really is the short end of the stick huh? Fuck him. He's gone and he doesn't care and neither do I. He was just phoning it in his last year anyway
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Raw
Sept 13, 2014 11:22:59 GMT -5
Post by Velkontés on Sept 13, 2014 11:22:59 GMT -5
I guess they're going for Cena vs Brock in the Cell, so your idea makes sense Champ. I mean, god, I don't know what you do once Cena beats him in the Cell. I suppose Dan Bryan wins the Rumble so Cena can get his win back at Wrestlemania?
I think Paige is going to supplant Sarita at the top of my creepy boner list by the end of the year. So fucking sleazy (in a good way). This AJ feud has done wonders for both them. Nikki being added to the match makes me think she is going to Diva Finish her way to the title and put off the big AJ/Paige blow-off for another day. I know everyone on the Internet shits on the Bellas, but I've never thought they've been that bad in the ring, it's the acting that's terrible.
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Post by Champ on Sept 13, 2014 23:11:55 GMT -5
Yeah the Bellas acting was always some of the worst acting I've ever seen. But Nikki is starting to come out of her shell more now. If she keeps it up she will actually be a good champ.
I think Nikki is winning too. But I don't think they need to end the Paige and AJ feud. They got to a point where they don't really need the belt anymore to keep this excitingly creepy as it has been. It makes more sense for the Bella/authority angle to have the belt at this point. It's better for the angle and it showcases the divas belt better, especially with total divas killing it in ratings on E as well.
As far as cena and lesnar in the cell, shit I can't see cena losing 3 times. But are they going to go there? Maybe cena wins at NOC and Brock regains in the cell? Honestly I don't think Brock should lose a match Til mania. They're booking him so perfectly. Having cena beat him at all is a bad move. When you have a guy end the streak you have to capitalize on that. I hope they don't fuck it up
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Raw
Sept 14, 2014 16:25:11 GMT -5
Post by MasterSnit on Sept 14, 2014 16:25:11 GMT -5
I've also been impressed with pregnant dog Nikki. The way she starts almost every sentence with something like "Gawd", or "Like, seriously" is funny. That's likely her own verbal ticks and it makes things so much better. I just can't buy it when a wrestler is clearly sticking to a script almost word for word.
They seem to be allowing Dolph Ziggler more time on the mic recently too, and let's just say I have not been as impressed by him. He seems like one of those guys who think they are clever and funny, but aren't really very funny or clever at all. However, Damien Mizdow and his sidekick The Miz has been good.
I have been pleasantly surprised by Rusev. I really like him and think he is an excellent heel. Even I wanted Jack Swagger to make him tap out at SummerSlam.
I also don't see Brock losing until at least WrestleMania either. If they do go with Brock and Roman Reigns in the main event it really would be the perfect opportunity to do a WrestleMania cash in. Reigns squeaks out a victory over Lesnar and Rollins weasels in to pick the bones. It would be pretty funny.
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Raw
Oct 7, 2014 9:26:00 GMT -5
Post by Velkontés on Oct 7, 2014 9:26:00 GMT -5
Rusev shoulda just kicked Rock in the face as soon as he got in the ring. Nobody ever learns. That was a fun segment though.
Ambrose leaving Cena to get a hotdog is pretty funny. Gotta give credit where it's due, he's seizing the opportunity much better than I thought he would.
Paige and Alicia are a good looking couple. Yeah, that's right, I went there.
Don't really get this Hell in a Cell PPV. I thought it was all set up for Lesnar to job to Cena, but instead no title match and two faces squaring off for the chance to fight Rollins? It's different, I'll give them that. I'm wondering who they are saving Lesnar up for now.
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Post by Champ on Oct 8, 2014 9:55:20 GMT -5
What pisses me off is, if they knew lesnar wasn't wrestling at hell in a cell, why couldn't he just beat cena again? They could've had cena kick the shit out of him most of the match but have Brock pull off the win. It would've made both guys look good. The dq did nothing for either guy. I don't get this shitty booking.
That Rock/Rusev segment was the most entertaining wrestling segment I've seen in months. I've had my love/hate issues with the Rock in the past but this guy can still come back for one night only and blow the entire roster off the map. It's amazing and quite upsetting at the same time. I was watching him and just thinking, why.....why can't we have more guys with this kind of presence and legitimacy? The Rock on Raw is a perfect reason why I'm pissed at this era right now. Even Rusev and Lana were good. Rusev officially has won me over in the last few months too. The guy is more than just a jobber squasher. He's actually pretty talented and surprised me a lot. I think with the right storylines Rusev is capable of having great matches. He's the kind of guy that needs a backstory but can totally make it work.
I slightly disagree with you on Rollins and Ambrose V. I like the little inflections that Ambrose is adding in and the hot dog thing was kind of funny and random. But overall, I don't like how this feud is playing out. I also don't like how Rollins carries a dildo in his briefcase. Yup, that happened last week on a PG show and he called it a razor. But it seems like, even though Ambrose is doing a good job doing his job, I see this slowly turning into cheesy goofball booking and it pisses me off. Rollins turned into such a tool recently too. His promos are annoying and he's a little pussy now. I know that's a heel thing and all but, something about Rollins and Ambrose isn't rubbing me the right way recently. It certainly doesn't help that they threw superman into the mix either. God that doesn't help. I understand it legitimizes it a little more but cena is so fucking stale
I'm a little bitter towards wwe right now so you may see me be a bit extra critical lately too lol
If I have to see Orton and cena standing in the same ring at the same time at 10:50 on a Monday one more time I might have to boycott raw
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