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Post by MasterSnit on Nov 3, 2008 14:37:14 GMT -5
If you are willing to say, who are you voting for and what do you foresee for the next leader of your country?
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Post by Naitch on Nov 3, 2008 15:41:56 GMT -5
I'm not voting because everyone is just as bad as this administration but it looks like Obama is going to win.
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Post by MasterSnit on Nov 3, 2008 16:56:17 GMT -5
I think it will end up being a bit closer than expected but I also feel that Obama will win.
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Post by Champ on Nov 3, 2008 17:45:09 GMT -5
I wasn't going to vote because everyone that runs for election in our country in the past few decades has been a big fuckin joke and since I first started voting I voted for Bush both terms. Now I KNOW Bush is a fuckin idiot! The reason I voted for him the first time was because I didn't know better and I wasn't a fan of Clinton when Al Gore ran against Bush. The only reason I voted for Bush 4 years ago is because I believe you should never change presidents during a war if you can help it and John Kerry had absolutely no idea what he was trying to get into. If Kerry got voted in we could have easily gotten crippled because our strategy and defense would have been altered and unfortunately the terrorists aren't stupid. Pieces of shit, yes, but not stupid.
So now I have a choice between a young smooth talking nigger with no experience and an old POW nutjob that's had like 500 strokes already. Bottom line, this is what it comes down to... I have several reasons on why I made a decision to actually go and vote tomorrow.
1. Barack Obama doesn't want to do off shore drilling and McCain wants to immediately do offshore drilling after getting into office. Off shore drilling is the first step we need to take to lower our insane gas prices
2. Barack Obama wants to raise taxes for people and businesses who make over $200,000 a year and lower taxes for people who make less. First it was $250,000 and it got lowered. McCain is looking to give all working families and businesses $5,000 to basically take care of everyone who got raped on taxes while Bush was in president. Now if Obama taxes the rich and lowers the tax for the poor/lower/middle class, all it will do is cause companies to downsize and FIRE those lower class people the Obama is supposedly trying to help out. If companies make millions, people and businesses are going to get crippled
3. Obama wants to pull troops out of Iraq and McCain believes we've come to far to pull out the troops now. Firstly, I want the troops back home safe as much as the next guy. But if we pull the troops out and don't have a guarantee we won't get fucked with anymore, they will come back to america and get us again because as long as soldiers are still getting killed in Iraq(which still happen occasionally) these crazy asshole terrorists won't stop at anything because Iraq is a much easier place for them to bomb right now than America is. So basically, there are people out there who still want Americans dead and the soldiers out in Iraq are protecting us from them coming over here and doing something crazy again. Not to mention that Obama actually wants to sit down and TALK with our enemies!
So bottom line is, McCain is no prize. He's like a slightly less evil George Bush. But Obama has NO fuckin clue what the hell he's doing! If he gets in office, we'll be more fucked no than ever(though he'd still be better than the cuntjob Hilary Clinton). So in answer to your question
I vote McCain. Lesser of the 2 evils. Plus he's a war hero and knows what it's like to put his country first
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Nov 3, 2008 18:41:40 GMT -5
I voted for Mac 2 weeks ago at least he has some background that we know about. The news is going all out to convince people it is all over so , who knows whats going to happen.
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Post by Champ on Nov 4, 2008 2:52:16 GMT -5
My problem this election term is I'm seriously just fed up with everyone that runs. McCain could be worse but where's that one man we REALLY need. We need that one guy to finally step up and say, fuck this, I'm bringing this country in a new direction and it's going to make sense on how I go about it. Instead it's a fuckin popularity contest with he said/she said bullshit. It's just sickening to me that I always have to vote for the lesser of the 2 evils as opposed to someone promising.
People actually think Obama is the greatest revelation to run for office when he's a fuckin absolute JOKE. The thing is he's great at debates, he's a great public speaker, and a very smart man that he's actually making people believe he's going to do something great for this country. The guy has no experience at all and he's a fuckin socialist. He's trying to take what this country was built off of(capitalism) and flip it around. People love this country for that opportunity to make something of themselves and Obama basically is punishing them for being successful in order to help out the lower and middle class more. That's not balancing the economy! I'm not a mark for the rich or anything but it's completely unfair to the people who busted their asses and work from the bottom to make themselves millionaires.
Here's an example of why this monkey is making me sick. I have a friend of the family who grew up lower/middle class and he busted his ass from when he was a kid to become one of the top lawyers in New york State if not a major part of this country and he's head of his firm. He's turning 70 years old next summer and is still working because no one under him has the 40+ years of experience to handle his workload and he prides himself on being a major reason why this firm is as successful as it is today that he won't even retire yet because of it. This poor guy is so worried about Obama getting elected because his business and everything that he worked for is going to get hit so hard that he's losing sleep over it because his taxes are going to go up 200 - 300% in his firm and his home! That's such an unfair setback.
Now supposedly Obama is going to help guys like me(lower/middle class). How the fuck is he going to help me by lowering my taxes but at the same time making it so much harder for me to make a living because so many jobs and businesses are going to be fucked? So now, say my band was to make it big and I catch a break for my hard work. I have to pay out the ass because I'm successful and so many people are full of shit and on welfare?! Yeah, punish me for 16 years of blood sweat and tears I put into my music you douche. I believe in helping the disabled, don't get me wrong. But I don't believe in making it easier for people that lie about their health in order to steal from the government. Where's your fuckin pride? That's what Obama is catering to and he's got just about half the country brainwashed because Bush was such a fuck up and went in the complete opposite direction.
Now here's where I could stand up for the disabled and Obama supporters but I won't and here's why. When I needed the government's help at one point(while BUSH was president), the government helped me enough to get by when I didn't have a job or any compensation and I was temporarily and legitimately disabled. It's not all that fuckin bad and people need to get the fuck over it. I could have had it a lot worse. The worst part of it was I couldn't really have a fun social life because money was tight or I had to cut down on buying beer, which is better for my health anyway. I don't need Obama's charity. If I didn't have it that rough with the government's help while George W Bush was in office and after the towers went down, what would this asshole Obama do for me to make my life THAT much easier? Give me an extra $70 a month? Ok that's one or two less nights I just don't go out in the span of 30 days. Sometimes sacrifices have to be made and people need to stop the b1tching
I know that was a long rant but the polls open up in about 4 hours and I'm starting to get a little excited because I want a real leader in office and either we have to simply "get by" with McCain and have niggers rioting in my neighborhood because of ignorant racial protesting or I have to settle for Obama, the champion of the niggers and white trash
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Post by Velkontés on Nov 4, 2008 13:29:24 GMT -5
I hope you take the following post in the spirit of friendly debate, champ: The guy has no experience at all and he's a fuckin socialist. He's trying to take what this country was built off of(capitalism) and flip it around. Hate to break it to you, but every single government in the world is socialist to some extent. Governments take money from everybody and spend it on everybody. For example, the funding of the education system is on a socialist principle. Or that $700bn bailout. I'm not a socialist but I *do* get fed up of people throwing the phrase "socialism" around like it's a dirty word, without even realising what it means. If you've got more, you'll contribute more. If you've got less, you'll contribute less. If you need more services, you'll get more services. If you need less services, you'll get less services. You can argue about *how much* some people should pay, and what services you "need", but that is the basic function of government. I have nothing against millionaires, but even self-made millionaires rely on society to make their fortunes, in ways too numerous to count. Whether it be publicly-funded education (both for himself and his workforce), favourable tax rates, the maintenance of law and order, construction of roads. Not to mention upkeeping the general health of the economy so that people are making money and there are markets for the products these entrepreneurs make. And it wasn't "socialism" that fucked up the global economy, it was unregulated capitalism and greedy bankers that screwed everything up for everyone. So those people who make more - of course they should enjoy the fruits of their labour but hell yeah they should contribute more to society. Even after they've contributed they'll still be more comfortably off than most.
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Post by Naitch on Nov 4, 2008 14:10:39 GMT -5
I actually went out and voted today. Decided that we needed Joe Biden in the white house. I voted for Obama but really Biden is the powerhouse of all four candidates. I feel like an asshole but I would have had the same feeling if I voted for McCain.
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Nov 4, 2008 17:35:57 GMT -5
they should contribute more to society
That is stealing.
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Post by Velkontés on Nov 4, 2008 21:54:28 GMT -5
they should contribute more to societyThat is stealing. Do you really believe that? That's basically how income tax works. Instead of everyone paying the same, those who earn more pay more.
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Post by Champ on Nov 5, 2008 1:40:15 GMT -5
I agree that those who earn more pay more but it should be the same percentage. It's not going to be.
But Obama is the next president. The guy is not an idiot. The thing that I'm trying to feel better about is he IS smarter than George Bush so now I can only hope when he does something big it'll be for the better. It's his experience and bold statements to make change that makes me worry about a backfire. If he had government experience in his family like Bush had, Barack's brains with George's experience would make me feel better about having Obama in office. But I'm going to try and remain optimistic regardless. I just hope he does something about the fuckin gas prices. We're down to $2.59 over here which is the lowest it's been since the late summer of 2007 but back in 98 they were down to 99 cents a gallon. That's a ridiculous difference Anytime I vote I'll admit I lean to the right instead of the left but part of me does wish Gore was in office instead of Bush to begin with because he had more of an "in" on what was going on in the white house at the time. Lately I've been looking for the right man for the job as opposed to republican or democrat. I notice once you label yourself, you become more closeminded. I tried to be more open to both candidates this time around, whether it sounds like I did or not lol
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Nov 5, 2008 8:31:53 GMT -5
Yes, we already have a graduated income tax system which like V said is basically socialistic. But its wrong. The middle class basically pay 90% of all revenue into the system because there are so FEW of the "rich" if you took all the money from "the rich" it would run the government 2 weeks. I am for the flat tax or a 2 tier system where everyone is either one low tax rate or one higher rate. Somebody sent me this audio. Its proof that people just voted for Obama for the hell of it. newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/13/howard-stern-exposes-why-so-many-people-support-obama
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Post by Velkontés on Nov 5, 2008 13:33:07 GMT -5
Politicians are always writing cheques they can't cash, Obama will be no different. He started his campaign before the economy got crushed like Snitsky's push, so he won't have the money to do everything he wants. I think he'll do okay but a lot of people are going to be very disappointed.
I'm a liberal - probably an extreme liberal by U.S. standards - but speaking as someone who doesn't live in the U.S. I don't think McCain on his own would have been the disaster some were suggesting. However on the same basis I don't want Sara Palin within a million miles of possibly leading the most powerful nation on Earth, so for that reason alone I'm relieved Obama won. I also think that's one of the big reasons why he did win, along with the guy currently in the Whitehouse. And the $700bn bailout was the last straw.
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Post by Naitch on Nov 5, 2008 15:33:24 GMT -5
Politicians are always writing cheques they can't cash, Obama will be no different. He started his campaign before the economy got crushed like Snitsky's push, so he won't have the money to do everything he wants. I think he'll do okay but a lot of people are going to be very disappointed. I'm a liberal - probably an extreme liberal by U.S. standards - but speaking as someone who doesn't live in the U.S. I don't think McCain on his own would have been the disaster some were suggesting. However on the same basis I don't want Sara Palin within a million miles of possibly leading the most powerful nation on Earth, so for that reason alone I'm relieved Obama won. I also think that's one of the big reasons why he did win, along with the guy currently in the Whitehouse. And the $700bn bailout was the last straw. Dude, it was all the big guy currently in the White House. Bill Clinton will be working to a degree with the economy and he did wonders during his term. I'm going to find it funny when people complain that its not done within 5 days of him taking office. SM, those people were stupid. How did they not know Palin was running with McCain?
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Nov 5, 2008 15:49:49 GMT -5
I don't know. Mass Hypnosis?
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