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Post by evilmasterbetty on Nov 5, 2008 18:14:22 GMT -5
I did vote for Obama, but I wasn't 100% behind him and actually my reasons aren't quite so common.
I voted for him because, right now, the oldest members of the Supreme Court (which effects like 75% of my future career) are "liberal" members. They all are going to retire in the next couple years. I may not necessarily agree with their positions all the time, but I do think the Court operates best when it's about split. If McCain were elected, he'd try to force through ultra-conservative candidates, which would result in a huge fight and would hold up new appointments and not be good.
Also, I just feel like it's time for a new economic and budgetary plan for the country. The Republican way worked for a while until they decided that you can spend tons of money while somehow still giving massive tax breaks to those who don't need it. The economy seems to go through cycles where one policy works, then it fails because it's flawed, then you apply the other policy and that works for a while, but then that fails, and then you go back and so on and so on. With McCain, it would have been just more of the same.
Now, I just hope that Obama doesn't blow it on foreign policy. I get the sense he really doesn't seem to think it's that big of a threat to security to talk to all these ruthless dictators without any kind of conditions and doesn't think that just because he's elected these countries will suddenly love America.
Hopefully the Republicans get their shit together because they blew this one. Yeah it was a difficult task anyway, but McCain went way too far from who he really is to get the nomination, and never got away from that. This is because, for some reason, they think that America is still a socially conservative country and you need to cater to that. That's why we got Palin, who was no where near the right candidate. I don't hate her like a lot of other people did, but she's clearly a fringe candidate to cater to the far right, which was the worst thing to do this time.
If the cards play right and Republicans get their heads out of their asses and see that the country is changing socially, then they can get back in 2012. If not, then it's going to be a while.
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Post by Naitch on Nov 6, 2008 16:20:22 GMT -5
At least you had good reasons MB. I think a lot of people voted for him just because he wasn't a republican and/or white.
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Post by Champ on Nov 7, 2008 2:02:43 GMT -5
I agree 100%. If you're going to vote for a guy, at least have good reasons to vote for him. The main reasons I didn't vote for Obama had nothing to do with race or political party. It's just unfortunate that people vote for the most idiotic reasons instead of going through the facts. If you listened to Obama and McCain's plans and decide Obama was the way to go, I totally respect that. It's this shit below that pisses me off(click the link) newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/13/howard-stern-exposes-why-so-many-people-support-obamaNow if this was done with McCain too, I'd also say those people are retarded because there are hicks in trailers in the mid-west and down south that only vote republican so they can keep their guns. That's just dumb too. |
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Post by evilmasterbetty on Nov 7, 2008 8:26:39 GMT -5
I agree 100%. If you're going to vote for a guy, at least have good reasons to vote for him. The main reasons I didn't vote for Obama had nothing to do with race or political party. It's just unfortunate that people vote for the most idiotic reasons instead of going through the facts. If you listened to Obama and McCain's plans and decide Obama was the way to go, I totally respect that. It's this shit below that pisses me off(click the link) newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/13/howard-stern-exposes-why-so-many-people-support-obamaNow if this was done with McCain too, I'd also say those people are retarded because there are hicks in trailers in the mid-west and down south that only vote republican so they can keep their guns. That's just dumb too. Wow, that's ridiculous. I mean, I am glad that there was a candidate that got so many people out to vote, but I would almost rather them not vote than vote but totally uninformed. In this day and age, it only takes like 10 minutes to find out about a candidate. Between the millions of commercials, news articles, news reports, campaigners, internet sites, informed friend and family, and ads there's really no reason not to be informed. There's also this woman I hate to tell her, in 6 months she's still going to be paying $80 a week to fill up her giant SUV and she'll probably have her house foreclosed because the prime interest rate and housing market screwed her over. Maybe the founders had it right by having an electoral college rather than let the uninformed masses decide. |
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Post by GLF on Nov 7, 2008 14:04:41 GMT -5
WOOOOOOOOOO! CHANGE! OBAMA! WE DID IT!
Seriously though even I knew that McCain was pro-life, wanted the troops to stay in Iraq and how can you not know that Sarah Palin was McCain's choice of VP. I didn't really even try to keep up with what was happening it was all there in my face even in Scotland!
But thats a democracy for you though, people who voted may or may not know the persons agenda/policies or agree with them, it doesn't matter in the end. Its pretty much all about popularity.
I don't know about you guys over there but here McCain was pretty much made out to be a fool all the time whilst Obama was the cool, slick guy.
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Post by GLF on Nov 7, 2008 14:05:19 GMT -5
Oops wrong button meant to edit
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Post by Velkontés on Nov 7, 2008 15:41:55 GMT -5
Maybe the founders had it right by having an electoral college rather than let the uninformed masses decide. Well, no, because it entrenches support to the extent that if you're a voter in California or Texas your vote isn't worth shit because it's obvious who will win. A vote in Ohio is worth more than a vote in those two states. And it's exactly the same problem in the UK. Of 650 seats, about 150 of the closest ones hold the balance of power. Oh, we've also got a hereditary monarchy as head of state. And an unelected second chamber. I think that before we try persuading other cultures to embrace democracy we should sort ourselves out first. And to resurrect an old saying of mine: people are stupid. There's lots of people who think Obama's a muslim (like it matters) and wouldn't vote for him. That is the nature of the beast, though. Everyone gets a vote, stupid or smart. It's the worst system until you consider the alternatives. Thank goodness we have a universal education system funded on socialist principles to help tackle ignorance!  |
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Post by Naitch on Nov 9, 2008 2:49:03 GMT -5
I agree 100%. If you're going to vote for a guy, at least have good reasons to vote for him. The main reasons I didn't vote for Obama had nothing to do with race or political party. It's just unfortunate that people vote for the most idiotic reasons instead of going through the facts. If you listened to Obama and McCain's plans and decide Obama was the way to go, I totally respect that. It's this shit below that pisses me off(click the link) newsbusters.org/blogs/noel-sheppard/2008/10/13/howard-stern-exposes-why-so-many-people-support-obamaNow if this was done with McCain too, I'd also say those people are retarded because there are hicks in trailers in the mid-west and down south that only vote republican so they can keep their guns. That's just dumb too. Wow, that's ridiculous. I mean, I am glad that there was a candidate that got so many people out to vote, but I would almost rather them not vote than vote but totally uninformed. In this day and age, it only takes like 10 minutes to find out about a candidate. Between the millions of commercials, news articles, news reports, campaigners, internet sites, informed friend and family, and ads there's really no reason not to be informed. There's also this woman I hate to tell her, in 6 months she's still going to be paying $80 a week to fill up her giant SUV and she'll probably have her house foreclosed because the prime interest rate and housing market screwed her over. Maybe the founders had it right by having an electoral college rather than let the uninformed masses decide. HOOOLEY SHIT. I get why black people would be excited, but do some of them actually think hes the second coming of Jesus? All I know is that he has to be better then Bush. Has to be. This is coming from a guy that voted for him twice. Also, whoever I vote for wins. I get a magic ballot every four years. |
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Post by KOAG on Nov 9, 2008 8:52:08 GMT -5
Tread lightly. I didn't think we could talk politics here.
I voted for Obama/Biden because they were the better choice by far. If you actually got your information about the candidate's plans from a fair and balanced source (and Fox News is Not fair and balanced - they have a right wing agenda) you would know that Obama's plans are so much better for the working class Americans. The Regan trickle down theory obviously didn't work under George Bush's polices. This country and the rest of the world can see this theory has failed. I seem to remember the prosperity in this county during the Clinton years. If you infuse money into the working class by tax cuts, they in-turn buy more products and services thus making the top cats benefit.
There are also a slew of other topics that I strongly feel about Obama's platform, the environmental policies, the way we should go about our diplomacy rather than just dropping bombs on countries, and health care. I don't agree on everything, but I'm a free thinker.
Everyone has to back the new administration. We can't just filibuster, we need to help change how Washington works. No one cared to change a thing the last 8 years, and here we are with the wars and financial mess we're in (including countries over seas). We ALL need to be accountable this time around.
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Post by KOAG on Nov 9, 2008 9:03:51 GMT -5
FYI - Media Research Center AKA newsbusters.org is a right wing conservative group (not fair and balanced) check your sources. CNN or the BBC would be better choices for balance and not MSNBC they lean to the left.
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Post by Champ on Nov 10, 2008 16:22:01 GMT -5
I actually am getting some hopes about Obama because he's very collected an on the ball and he at least tried harder to win this election than McCain did. Like Naitch said, Barack CAN'T be worse than bush and I voted for Bush too. The first time I should have voted for Gore. I admit that. The second time I voted for Bush because I don't believe in changing president's during a war if we don't have to. Plus Kerry did a terrible job convincing the public to vote for him.
The thing that makes me nervous about Obama still is his ways of taxing. You can't tax your way out of a deficit. Trust me, I know I'll probably benefit in someways but I'm also hearing about downsizing of companies already because their taxes are going to be too high to hold on to employees(the low and middle class). So while, Obama's helping the middle class he could be hurting the middle class buy taxing the higher brackets. It all ties in to eachother. I guess we'll have to see. I hope I'm wrong
I was also nervous about Barack not wanting to do off shore drilling but I've come to terms with the fact that gas prices will probably be fucked either way.
My mother went to a liquor store to get a bottle of wine the day of the elections and some black woman went in there(when Obama was pretty much slated to win) and she bought a bottle of Champagne and told the guy at the counter that Obama's going to pay for her mortgage lol. That's just ridiculous. Then you have trailer trash who think Obama's going to take away their right to go hunting. It's so ridiculous when people really don't have a clue why they are voting
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Post by Naitch on Nov 10, 2008 17:15:45 GMT -5
That woman is in a shitload of trouble if she thinks the government is going to give her a check for her mortgage every month.
What a lot of people fail to think is that before a President can take they're guns or offshore drilling or whatever your personal issue of choice is, it has to go through congress first. Just because someone says something in a speech doesn't mean it will happen. Thats basic high school education right there and I think most of the country forgot that.
And Champ, I think now the election is over the gas is going to go down now. Out here in Denver we hit a $1.99 over the weekend.
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Post by Velkontés on Nov 10, 2008 18:48:39 GMT -5
I read that one of the proposals for tackling the Crunch (and I'm oversimplifying) was for the government to purchase the bad mortgages so that people aren't evicted. You'd still need to pay though. It's just that you would be paying the Government rather than a bank. That might be why people are getting confused.
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Post by Champ on Nov 10, 2008 23:56:54 GMT -5
I actually heard the opposite. Most people are saying that prices usually go up after an election. I hope that's wrong too
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Post by Naitch on Nov 11, 2008 15:50:16 GMT -5
I actually heard the opposite. Most people are saying that prices usually go up after an election. I hope that's wrong too Prices go up before the election dude. Not normally as much as they did. So there ya go my man lower gas prices! V, good point I didn't even think of that. Uncle Sam will kick you out on your ass just as fast as the banks. The one good thing though is the interest rates might not shoot up on you. |
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