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Post by Velkontés on Dec 8, 2008 8:58:34 GMT -5
yeah, that chick is a fame whore but so what? Doesn't make a jot of difference to me. Good luck to her. I don't begrudge her the cash or the fame she's making.
All I care about is good music. And it's pretty fucking hard to be creative in any field if you have a full time job. Like I said, it's time and labour intensive to write and produce music, and a lot of bands I like are probably just getting by or doing okay. So I do feel as though I should support those bands.
The "art for art's sake" is an aesthetic argument. You get some assholes who say "what's the POINT of this sculpture/painting/piece of music", as though everything needs some social function, when really you can appreciate something just for its beauty. i.e. art for art's sake.
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Post by MasterSnit on Dec 8, 2008 15:11:50 GMT -5
When I think about something being art for art's sake, I feel that, whatever it is, has been produced because the artist had a desire to express themselves, regardless or any possible gain. If there is any gain to come as a result, I have no problem with that.
I agree that it can be difficult and time consuming to get your teeth into something when you have other things going on, but I think the reward for musicians, the way things are going, will be people paying to see them live. It's just so easy to get music for free these days and I don't think that is going to change in the foreseeable future. I'm not saying I wouldn't ever support any band by buying their CD's, but personally I'm just not really that interested in new music so it's unlikely that I will.
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Post by Champ on Dec 10, 2008 5:40:13 GMT -5
I'll tell you from my standpoint of being in bands for so many years MS. Some people do it for the money. Some people do it for the music. Some people do it for their own ego. And some people do it because they learned how to play an instrument when they were young and have time on their hands now.
I've done it for every one of those reasons. When I first started playing in a band when I was 15 it was more because I wanted people to say, check out that dude, he can play. It's a cool thing to be apart of and when you're that age, you want to be recognized for it. Then for a while I was doing it because I had the time but didn't exactly love what I was doing. Then I tried specifically to see if I could make money off of it. Now I do it for the music and if I can make money off of it, what better way than to make a living off of a project you believe in? Right now it's all about the music. Everyone would love it if their band got signed but there's no telling why people stay on the world wide scene until you actually get there yourself.
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Post by Velkontés on Dec 10, 2008 7:30:17 GMT -5
I know where you're coming from MS. On another forum a while ago I was arguing with a guy who can't stand all the Idol or reality show winners topping the charts, and I was like, "who f'ing cares?" As long as the bands you like are doing well enough to survive and make records, why do you care if they top the charts or make a million bucks or score with Lindsey Lohan? I just think some people (probably not you) have this either/or mentality, where there's MONEY on one end and CREATIVITY on the other, when in reality everyone exists somewhere on a spectrum.
The thing is, if you want to make a lot of money you don't go into a creative field. It's too much hassle. Just think of all the hours of stage school and auditions and handshaking and blowjobs and touring and general bullshit someone like, say, Britney Spears has / had to do. I'd be going batshit with an umbrella too. And even doing all that... the only reason Katy Perry is famous is because she lucked into a big hit. That's all it really is, being in the right place at the right time, knowing the right people.
So I think if you're in a band starting out, or pursuing any creative endeavour you have to enjoy it. You have to think: even if I never make a dime out of this, it will still be worthwhile. Because the odds are stacked against you making any serious money out of it. Or even enough money to support yourself. And I think a lot of bands have that mentality, and it carries over into when they make it.
And if they really were just in it for the money, they're idiots, but sometimes they'll luck into a fortune. You just have to shrug and say that's life.
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Post by Champ on Dec 11, 2008 7:59:39 GMT -5
There still is money to be made if you don't have your own material. My band is actually getting a bunch of cover tunes together because weekend cover gigs actually pay in local bars unlike shows where you are showcasing your own material. If my band played out somewhere to play our material only, the only way we'd make money is if we sold a certain number of tickets or brought in a crowd. Even then the most any band I've ever been in made $250 collectively because we brought a huge crowd and it was like our 8th time playing that place. If we book gigs where we are playing cover songs strictly for entertainment at the bar/club they'll pay us $500 without even bringing in a crowd. There's 4 guys in my band so 125 a band member is totally worth it for 2 - 3 hours of playing with 2 separate breaks where we can have a drink and relax. Those shows are totally worth it if you're trying to make money playing music. Wedding bands pay the best though. I actually want to learn a list of wedding songs with my band. I've heard of bands getting payed $5,000 for weddings. But you go into the business for money when you are playing your own material. That's dumb because it's such a long shot with the competition and you can't risk relying on that to make a living. There are so many great bands who don't make it and so many shitty bands that do make it. They always say that if you write your own music don't quit your day job unless you're signed to a good contract and the music becomes your full time job
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Post by Naitch on Dec 11, 2008 16:30:18 GMT -5
I had no idea wedding bands made so much. I'm in the wrong line of work.
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Post by Champ on Dec 13, 2008 6:40:35 GMT -5
Trust me dude, I've been kicking myself in the ass for not pursuing that. I'm trying to get my band to do it but they don't really want to
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Post by MasterSnit on Dec 14, 2008 17:05:32 GMT -5
By the way, I've listened to the new Guns N' Roses album a few times now and it is really good! Definitely worth buying!
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Post by Champ on Dec 14, 2008 17:37:51 GMT -5
I heard another song on the radio and it was much better than the first one I heard. My friend still hasn't burned me a copy but the word I'm getting from all over the place is that the album is really good
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Post by Naitch on Dec 15, 2008 9:03:28 GMT -5
I didn't care for the new album myself. If it came out ten years ago I don't think I would have liked it. But thats just one assholes opinion.
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Post by Champ on Dec 15, 2008 12:12:39 GMT -5
I heard 2 songs. One of them was like whatever and the other one was good but didn't blow me away. So far I liked the new Metallica better right off the bat. I have the new album so I still can't really compare the two yet. But then again I like the new Metallica songs immediately but I'm still trying to find what I like about the new GnR. After 2 songs from GnR I should be sold if it's really that good. I may be wrong
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Post by Naitch on Dec 15, 2008 12:59:25 GMT -5
The new Metallica is pretty good. It took a little bit for The Day That Never Comes to strike my fancy but even thats solid. I like the new AC/DC album too. You can tell that all the GNR songs are missing Slash.
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Post by Champ on Dec 15, 2008 23:31:24 GMT -5
The rock out part in the second half of The Day That Never Comes just grew on me more and more every time I heard the song. Now I blast it when that part comes on. One song from that album you would like Naitch is "ll Nightmare Long". It was actually the theme for a recent WWE PPV. The song is heavy as shit and just kicks ass
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Post by Naitch on Dec 16, 2008 9:36:42 GMT -5
The rock station in Denver has a total hard on for Metallica and will play anything off of any of the albums even if it wasn't a single so I got to hear that. It was really good.
And thats difference between Death Magnetic and Chinese Democracy. Everything off of DM I can say is "pretty good". Everything off of CD makes me not want to hear it again.
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Post by Champ on Dec 16, 2008 19:13:30 GMT -5
I never looked forward to Chinese Democracy. It was one of those albums I just didn't have a good feeling about since day one. I still want to hear it though. I just always had it in my head that it would suck for some reason.
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