Summerslam Pickems & Discussion

[MasterSnit]

John Cena v Brock Lesnar - Lesnar - 6

Seth Rollins v Dean Ambrose - Seth Rollins - 4

Randy Orton v Roman Reigns - Randy Orton - 1

The Miz v Dolph Ziggler - The Miz - 5

Jack Swagger v Rusev - Rusev - 7

AJ Lee v Paige - Paige - 3

Stephanie McMahon v Brie Bella - Brie Bella - 2

Bray Wyatt v Chris Jericho - Bray Wyatt - 8





V mentioned in the other thread that the build towards Summerslam has been good and I agree it has been. I have particularly enjoyed the Rollins - Ambrose angle as well as the stuff with Swagger and Rusev. The stuff with Brock and Cena has been OK, but nothing special. I was hoping Brock was going to wreck the old timers on RAW last week but it ended up being really lame. Still, I think Brock will win after an evenly fought match this time, perhaps with some shenanigans. If Cena beats him again I won't be shocked.
They had to go ahead and Claire Lynch the Stephanie and Brie angle, but I'm still hoping for a Daniel Bryan appearance during the match and the crowd erupting.
Paige has been entertaining the last few weeks and I really hope she beats AJ.
Jericho and Wyatt should be solid. The Orton v Reigns match just isn't doing anything for me.

Should be a good PPV.

[Champ]

John Cena v Brock Lesnar - Lesnar - 6

Seth Rollins v Dean Ambrose - Seth Rollins 3

Randy Orton v Roman Reigns - Reigns 8

The Miz v Dolph Ziggler - The Miz - 7

Jack Swagger v Rusev - Swagger 4

AJ Lee v Paige - AJ 2

Stephanie McMahon v Brie Bella - Brie Bella - 1

Bray Wyatt v Chris Jericho - Bray Wyatt 5

[Champ]

I'm iffy on my Brie pick now because I just read Nikki might turn heel tonight. I only put 1 on this match so I may as well leave it

[Velkontés]

Aug 17, 2014 15:31:57 GMT -5 Champ said:

I'm iffy on my Brie pick now because I just read Nikki might turn heel tonight.

Uh, don't you mean "character development", Champ? The funniest part of that contract signing the other week was Steph glaring at Brie and then clobbering Nikki with the clip board. After being put in handicap matches for weeks. It will make her look like such a colossal loser if she sides with The Authority after all that.

I could see Paige getting involved though. Maybe Steph will secretly send someone out to help her win the Women's Title earlier, and Paige will return the favour and powerbomb Brie through a table or something




John Cena v Brock Lesnar - Cena - 4

Seth Rollins v Dean Ambrose - Ambrose - 5

Randy Orton v Roman Reigns - Reigns - 6

The Miz v Dolph Ziggler - The Miz - 7

Jack Swagger v Rusev - Rusev - 3

AJ Lee v Paige - Paige - 2

Stephanie McMahon v Brie Bella - Brie Bella - 1

Bray Wyatt v Chris Jericho - Bray Wyatt - 8

[Champ]

Oh right, I'm afraid of my Brie Bella pick because Nikki might "characterly develop" over being second string to her sister lol

[Champ]

This ppv definitely seemed more predictable than the results. The funny thing is I looked at the betting odds after my picks and they were all in my favor except for Brie. Even AJ and Swagger were in my favor. I fucked up with swagger because I thought it was a REAL flag match where you grab your flag to win, not win and wave your fucking flag. If I knew you had to win by pinfall or submission I definitely would've put 5 or 6 on rusev.

I think ziggler got everyone though

[MasterSnit]

I really enjoyed SummerSlam. Brock chewing on Cena's bones was glorious. No surprise comebacks or miracle AA through an interdimensional black hole, allowing Cena to win by count out, just a good old fashioned beatdown. For the love of God though, please don't have Cena be the man to eventually slay the beast, it has to be someone new.

Rollins and Ambrose are hitting it out of the park right now. That lumberjack match was so fun to watch.

Paige beating AJ clean was another match I approved of. Paige is getting filthy in there.

Stephanie and Brie was OK.

I also liked Rusev v Swagger. Rusev can sell really well.

Good PPV and it always helps when there is a happy ending.

[Naitch]

I decided back in January, that when we do our end of the year things, Bryan vs Wyatt from the Rumble was going to be match of the year. Twice since than Brock Lesnar has made me rethink that. Not bad for a guy with 3 matches under his belt this year. If anyone is wondering, my MOTY is going to Taker vs Lesnar. If Taker had won, it wouldn't have gone over Bryan vs Wyatt or even Cena vs Lesnar, but that whole defeating the streak thing.

[Champ]

Bryan vs Wyatt really was a great match at the rumble. Regardless of what I've said about my opinions on Bryan, you'd have to be blind to not see that match was off the chain.

I think my personal favorite was shield vs Wyatts at elimination Chamber and shield vs evolution at payback. I love the matches with the back stories where those back stories play a huge role in the match. I've always been more for those types of matches then say, savage vs steamboat at mania 3. Not saying that Bryan vs Wyatt was that match. If anything that match is easily in my top 5 this year.

Slightly off topic, I remember they did an interview with George steel and they asked him what it was like being ringside at such an amazing match and he said he didn't really like the match because it didn't really play into the storyline that was built up for it with crushing steamboats throat and stuff and lacked that back story psychology. I remember a light just went off in my head because I always thought something was missing from that match and that was exactly it.

Here's the thing with savage vs steamboat. That match was the SICKEST display of a cardiovascular wrestling workout I've ever seen in my life. The ref was drenched in sweat and looked like he was going to have a heart attack trying to keep up with them. But that's exactly what it was to me, two amazing athletes showing what kind of amazing wrestling shape they're in, as they should be. But that match is something I'd rather see in a training center in the sense of, if you ever want to get into this business, you better be able to keep up. But, as for the actual match itself, it wasn't MY cup of tea. That's the best way to put it. I love those matches like shield vs evolution when they're all dying and having a crawling race back to the ring after a huge car wreck trying to prove their point about who the best is. It's a little hollywoodish. But I love that shit. I loved warrior vs savage at mania 7 where warrior was talking to his hands and shit. You know, the matches that kind of have those movie moments where you're trying to figure out what's going on inside their heads. To me that's the ART of sports entertainment. I don't know I'm kind of rambling. I'm tired right now lol

[MasterSnit]

Aug 20, 2014 19:05:47 GMT -5 Naitch said:

If Taker had won, it wouldn't have gone over Bryan vs Wyatt or even Cena vs Lesnar, but that whole defeating the streak thing.

Wouldn't that be more suited to 'Moment of the year'? The match itself wasn't very good. All anyone seems to remember is the pinfall and the fan reactions.
I still don't even want to talk about it. 22-0! *gently weeps*

My match of the year thus far is probably Shield v Wyatts I.

As for Savage v Steamboat, I had totally forgotten the storyline leading up to the match before you mentioned it Champ, but I think most people simply look at that match as a classic wrestling match without considering the angle that surrounded it. Steamboat was always the ultimate babyface who wouldn't stoop to the levels of the heels, so it does make sense to some degree that Steamboat would hold the high ground and better Savage by simply outwrestling him without having to resort similar tactics employed by Savage.
I see no problem with someone enjoying the theatrics more than the grappling though. In fact, I imagine the vast majority of fans feel that way. I think the reason why fans hold certain matches in such high regard is because they are a combination of in-ring action combined with a compelling story. Take the Undertaker v HBK matches at WrestleMania for example, both matches were excellent, but the build to both matches was really good too. So not only do we look back on the matches as simply good matches, but we remember them as two of the best matches ever with two of the best WWE wrestlers ever attempting to prove their superiority. Truth be told though, if you look hard enough you can probably find plenty of matches, bell to bell, that are of a similar calibre to their two matches, but when you throw in everything else, that's when they become memorable classics.

[Champ]

Truth be told though, if you look hard enough you can probably find plenty of matches, bell to bell, that are of a similar calibre to their two matches, but when you throw in everything else, that's when they become memorable classics.

Exactly, that's why angles and back stories are so important to me. Most of the time great matches have everything to do with timing too. If undertaker vs Shawn happened anywhere but mania, it wouldn't have been as memorable as it was. Also, if Trips vs taker I/II happened before Shawn vs taker, that would've gone down as a much bigger classic too, hell same with HBK vs Taker 2! Every once in a while a match from bell to bell with not much surrounding turns out to be amazing, simply based on two guys trying to prove themselves. But then you can argue that's more of a real life backstory. The backstory and psychology has to be there, whether it's real or script enhanced. The rest is up to the talent to mold the match to it