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Post by Naitch on Sept 23, 2012 23:09:37 GMT -5
I think next weeks raw is going to start off with Paul Heyman calling out the ref and CM Punk putting him to sleep. What, is Punk going to cut a promo on ice cream bars to him? No, he's going to watch some very early wrestlemania's with him.
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Post by Champ on Sept 24, 2012 12:49:02 GMT -5
WWE definitely did the right thing turning Punk heel. Cena was constantly overshadowing him as a face and there were no really good heels left. Since Punk turned heel, Cena's even become a better face.
Punk is just a natural heel. He just has that smug essence about him where you almost don't want to cheer him when he cuts a face promo because he still kind of comes off like a dick. It's the same way I feel about Austin Aries. But when Punk behaves like a real babyface, it just doesn't work. He and Cena are polar opposites that way. Also, we have to remember, it's not the attitude era anymore. There will only be one Stone Cold that got away with murder and got more cheers for it.
- I know I might catch shit for this but, I really can't get over how much better Cena has gotten. I thought at first maybe I was just finally seeing that he wasn't that bad all along. So I decided to go back and look at videos of him from 2006 and wow, he DID suck!! His character was so hypocritical and lame at the same time. His matches sucked DICK and he was a loser on the mic. Now, his matches have been pretty damn solid and FINALLY unpredictable! His character, even if it's not "argh attitude", is genuine and not hypocritical anymore, and he's become the best damn guy on the mic in the company.
Ironically, the worst thing about Cena now is the annoying assholes STILL chanting "Cena sucks". I feel like THAT is more stale and played out than anything Cena has done lately. The fans that boo him are just flat out annoying now lol. It's like get over it, it's not 2006 anymore. The dual chants are becoming as annoying as "WHAT"
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Post by Velkontés on Sept 25, 2012 11:35:52 GMT -5
23.11.2009 World Wrestling Entertainment Breakthrough Battle Royal Qualifying: Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (3:53) WWE Monday Night RAW #861 @ GIANT Center in Hershey, Pennsylvania, USA
04.05.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title Tournament Semi Final: Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (12:00) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #559 @ North Charleston Colliseum in North Charleston, South Carolina, USA
29.06.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (6:50) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #567 @ Mohegan Sun Arena in Wilkes-Barre, Pennsylvania, USA
20.07.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Dolph Ziggler defeats Kofi Kingston (14:51) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #570 @ Verizon Arena in Little Rock, Arkansas, USA
27.07.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Dolph Ziggler defeats Kofi Kingston by DQ (13:49) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #571 @ American Bank Center in Corpus Christi, Texas, USA
28.07.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Dolph Ziggler defeats Kofi Kingston (c) (10:45) - TITLE CHANGE !!! WWE Friday Night SmackDown #572 @ Laredo Energy Arena in Laredo, Texas, USA
15.08.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Dolph Ziggler (c) vs. Kofi Kingston - No Contest (7:05) WWE SummerSlam 2010 @ Staples Center in Los Angeles, California, USA
17.08.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (c) by DQ (8:45) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #574 @ Rabobank Arena in Bakersfield, California, USA
18.08.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (c) by Count Out (14:15) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #575 @ Save Mart Center in Fresno, California, USA
19.09.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Dolph Ziggler (c) defeats Kofi Kingston (12:41) WWE Night Of Champions 2010 @ Allstate Arena in Chicago, Illinois, USA
07.12.2010 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (c) by DQ (12:45) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #590 @ Nutter Center in Dayton, Ohio, USA
04.01.2011 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (c) (5:30) - TITLE CHANGE !!! WWE Friday Night SmackDown #594 @ Tucson Convention Center in Tucson, Arizona, USA
04.01.2011 World Wrestling Entertainment Intercontinental Title: Kofi Kingston (c) defeats Dolph Ziggler (0:45) WWE Friday Night SmackDown #594 @ Tucson Convention Center in Tucson, Arizona, USA
30.05.2011 World Wrestling Entertainment Dolph Ziggler defeats Kofi Kingston (10:49) WWE Monday Night RAW #940 @ Qwest Center in Omaha, Nebraska, USA
19.06.2011 World Wrestling Entertainment WWE United States Title: Dolph Ziggler defeats Kofi Kingston (c) (11:05) - TITLE CHANGE !!! WWE Capitol Punishment 2011 @ Verizon Center in Washington, District Of Columbia, USA
20.06.2011 World Wrestling Entertainment WWE United States Title Best Two Out Of Three Falls: Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (c) [2:1] (12:21) WWE Monday Night RAW #943 @ 1st Mariner Arena in Baltimore, Maryland, USA
27.06.2011 World Wrestling Entertainment Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (7:35) WWE Monday Night RAW #944 @ Thomas & Mack Center in Las Vegas, Nevada, USA
06.03.2012 World Wrestling Entertainment Kofi Kingston defeats Dolph Ziggler (15:00) WWE Superstars #152 @ Mohegan Sun Complex in Uncasville, Connecticut, USA
07.05.2012 World Wrestling Entertainment Dolph Ziggler defeats Kofi Kingston (2:15) WWE Monday Night RAW #989 @ Greensboro Coliseum Complex in Greensboro, North Carolina, USA
24.09.2012 World Wrestling Entertainment Dolph Ziggler defeats Kofi Kingston (10:30) WWE Monday Night RAW #1008 @ Times Union Center in Albany, New York, USA
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Post by Champ on Sept 26, 2012 12:25:28 GMT -5
oh for the love of Christ. So I guess we're all really not going crazy. It's funny, I counted 20 matches. It still feels like 10,000
- They had just enough Goat Tard on Monday. The show didn't revolve around them but they had just enough little segments. But, Gerald the waiter........Lmao, all I can really say is creative is just NAILING this entire angle right now. This is, by far, the best crackpipe story WWE has ever given Kane to work with.
- So, does anyone think the "the blond" that attacked Kaitlyn is Kelly Kelly? I actually hope it is. Because if Kelly is returning(which I heard she is), It would be great not to see that deer in headlight smile anymore. Watch, she's going to turn heel and we'll all be talking about how we can't believe "how awesome she is now" lol.
Assuming it is Kelly that attacked Kaitlyn, it's her only real shot of becoming someone to be remembered in the business by turning heel. Like V always said, she just never was going to happen as a face. Yeah she was over and had a title run but she was never going to be Trish, Lita, Victoria, or Mickie. Even Tessmacher already blew past Kelly, IMO.
Lastly(I can't believe I'm putting this much thought into Kelly Kelly), if it is Kelly that attacked Kaitlyn, it actually might make Kelly look good since Kaitlyn totally sucks. It'll actually give her a valid point for attacking her because she's so green and "doesn't deserve a title shot" when Kelly worked so hard for years for it.
- I'm starting to see a pattern in my fast forwarding segments. There are certain superstars now, no matter who their opponent is, I fast forward or take a shit or piss
Orton Del Rio Ziggler Kofi Santino Ryder Sin Cara Mysterio
Guys that are borderlining are Brodus, Miz, and Cesaro. The reason I didn't officially put them on the list is because sometimes I'm slightly interested in who they're matching up with. The reason I didn't put Brodus on the actual list is because I enjoyed him vs Tensai, which tells me I can still enjoy a Brodus match. Cesaro is still new and I enjoyed him dumping Aksana in 5 different languages, so I'm still giving him a chance. Miz is just in a rut for me. He doesn't totally drive me nuts yet
But it's to the point now where I can't wait to see Heath, Drew and Jinder's new band! I'm just SO sick of the same guys that are making zero impact every week. Hell, I'd rather see Tensai than half the roster! I actually enjoy Tensai now. He just matches up well with some guys and it turns out to be entertaining.
Normally I want Foley to go away and stay away, but he was pretty damn good on Monday. It's kind of sad too because these (semi)retired legends come back and cut better promos than 95% of the roster has all year. HBK and Foley come back and talk for one night and it's still better than anything anyone else has delivered verbally all year, with exception of probably just Cena and CM Punk.
- I died a little inside when I saw that it was Ryback that came to Foley's aid. I actually figured out something with Ryback. I think the reason I hate him so much is because, he's a face, but he comes off like a high school bully. Like he's ramming the guy's head into the mat going STUPID! STUPID! when his opponent is 150lbs. So, the opponent is stupid for defending himself to the best of his ability against a 290lb meathead bully? That actually makes the opponents brave. I feel like when the more established 220lb heels step up to Ryback it actually makes them look courageous after seeing how he destroyed those poor jobbers. I think Ryback needs to go heel. He's the type of character that would really make you feel like the face opponent needs your support. Right now, he's just a dick
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Post by Naitch on Sept 27, 2012 0:04:28 GMT -5
Raw 9/24 thoughts
-Solid opener with Punk/Heyman/Ref/AJ. Punk berating ref was awesome.
-Hey, it's Dolph vs Kofi, I was always hoping this match would be on live TV.
-His name is Gerald and he's a friendly waiter.
-Awesome promo out of Foley and Punk before Raw went all wonky a little later on.
-Now Ryback has beat two former heavyweight champs, Miz and Swagger.
-Nice to see that this week the tards in the audience weren't chanting for a Nexus return.
-King looked pretty good for being two weeks removed from a heart attack.
-You know you have become a boring wrestler when Ricardo is the best part of your six man.
-Tensai vs Brodus looked like it had some promise.
-Watch out for Punk's kicks to the upper leg, that shit will put you in a coma.
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Post by Velkontés on Sept 27, 2012 1:19:09 GMT -5
oh for the love of Christ. So I guess we're all really not going crazy. It's funny, I counted 20 matches. It still feels like 10,000 I only listed the one-on-one matches they've had. That cagematch.net website that I used came up with 58 results for Kingston vs Ziggler. That does include Royal Rumbles, battle royales (like that Smackdown one where Cena jobbed to Ryder), etc. But they've also faced off a shitload of times in tag matches, usually Swagger & Ziggler vs Kingston & . What makes me laugh is that they had a 2-out-of-3 falls match. Really? Did the previous 15 matches they had not settle anything?
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Post by Champ on Oct 5, 2012 13:11:30 GMT -5
Wrestling hasn't been doing much for me this week. Raw and Impact were kind of meh for me. Not bad but not great. Although, you can never go wrong with humiliating JR on his night like Vince ALWAYS does lol
Who also sees Wednesday Night Main event fading like Superstars did within the next few months?
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Post by Naitch on Oct 5, 2012 14:47:35 GMT -5
Who also sees Wednesday Night Main event fading like Superstars did within the next few months? I DO! I DO! If I'm not mistaking the first week of Superstars the main event was Jericho vs Undertaker. Fast forward three weeks it was probably something like Justin Gabriel vs Tyson Kidd. It was probably a good match, just not memorable. This week on Raw I enjoyed everything Team Hell No and Punk did. Those three are on fire. I also enjoyed Antonio Ceasero laying Brodus Clay out. Damien Sandow did his thing and I always love that. Ryback though, he is the one person on the roster that I can't even pretend has a redeeming quality. His catchphrase sucks, his music sucks, his matches suck, his face sucks, everything about him sucks.
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Post by Champ on Oct 6, 2012 11:23:08 GMT -5
I keep trying to figure out exactly what it is about Ryback that's been driving me nuts. I think I see right through him and don't buy him with that gimmick.
You hit on something though Naitch. I hate Ryback's FACE! I think that's the main thing for me. His stupid face and his gorilla teeth bother me.
Plus, Ryback's gimmick is the kind of gimmick you have to give to the right guy to make it work. Any time you have a gimmick where a guy runs around squashing people like that, there has to at least be something special about him, and I don't see that special quality with Ryback, except his jacked. I think that's another reason I can't get into him
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Post by MasterSnit on Oct 6, 2012 16:17:51 GMT -5
Antonio Cesaro has been slowly, very slowly growing on me. The more he appears and wins, the more believable he seems to become. I also like his oil check piledriver finisher.
It was CM Punk's turn to be the present day diabolical heel to mess with J.R. If they didn't need him on commentary for the next little while, I'm sure Punk would have broke his damn arm.
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Post by Velkontés on Oct 7, 2012 6:53:36 GMT -5
Ryback just looks like a big dumb meathead bully. They should give him some facepaint or something. I don't really like or dislike him. I nothing him.
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Post by Champ on Oct 7, 2012 12:21:21 GMT -5
That's what it is. Ryback isn't a larger than life guy to me. He's just a meathead bully, exactly like you said. When I look at him, I just see a varsity football player that got bad grades lol
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Post by MasterSnit on Oct 9, 2012 10:04:47 GMT -5
I thought that was a pretty good show this week. I'm enjoying this tag team tournament and hope Team Rhodes Scholars win it. Kane and Daniel Bryan were funny again. Kane thought Larry King was Skeletor. Lol. Sheamus v Barrett was a good brawl. I think those two will feud after Sheamus disposes of Big Show, and judging by that match, their tussles should be good. I liked the stuff with Punk and Vince. Punk has been mentioning Stone Cold an awful lot recently. They seem to be planting the seeds for something with the two of them. I laughed when Punk was down behind the announce desk, Vince picked up a microphone and told him he was now going to teach him something about respect, then proceeded to waterslide across the desk and float onto Punk. Looks like that's the end of Kofi and Truth. Kofi attacked Miz after he had just been assaulted by Skeletor's wife. This feud is going to suck. V, you might as well reconfigure that alarm on your wall and add Miz detection. I laughed at Slater, Drew and Mahal tonight. This weird little stable amuses me. I loved it how Heath did his knee-swinging air guitaring, then Drew started headbanging and Jinder did a little Punjabi finger pickle. (I don't know what you call that) I liked the ending. Maybe they are setting up a triple threat match for the WWE title? Hell, make it a four way and throw in that guy that CM Punk assaulted.
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Post by Champ on Oct 9, 2012 18:32:41 GMT -5
- Like Vince or not, he showed why he's the shit last night. That's exactly what I was talking about when I was referring to guys on the roster just not getting the job done. Vince, Cena, and I'll even say Punk now too, are the only guys that I feel a strong presence when they're out there. Everyone else it's just like, ok, next?
- Punk did officially arrive when he "cut THE promo" last summer, but it's really been since his recent heel turn where I really can finally see him becoming one of those legendary guys in a few years. Having Heyman by his side is definitely not hurting his status of becoming the top heel this decade either. But Punk is on fire now.
- And GOD I hope that we're going to see Punk vs. Austin at wrestlemania. That would just be friggen awesome. Punk is the ultimate guy for Austin to comeback for a match with
- And GOD I hope we don't see Ryback vs. Taker at wrestlemania, streak vs. streak, like I read recently
- Funniest quote of the night: "Antonio Cesaro has really huge nipples" lol
- I have to admit, I'm liking the Big Show and Sheamus feud. It's so much better than Sheamus vs. Del Rio. Sheamus is funny and Show is great
- I realized something in the last couple of weeks. Layla sucks
- Eve's actually starting to get on my nerves. She must be doing something right
- Ziggler and Del Rio STILL suck
- Kofi sucks
- R Truth is still fucking hilarious with the Little Jimmy stuff
- Brodus is good in the right booking
- Tensai was better when he was kicking sakomoto's ass every week
- Miz is officially becoming that guy I want to shut up, and not because he's a heel, but because he's just getting repetitive and annoying.
- I didn't miss Orton this week and I don't care that he's going to be at Smackdown
- Dan and Kane have grown on me so much, I don't want Rhodes Scholar winning the belts
- Sin Cara sucks
- Rey Mysterio is played out
- The Prime Time Players are just there to me, although Titus makes me laugh sometimes
But,
- Darren sucks
- Like MS, I'm strangely amused by Slater, McIntyre, and Mahal. I've always liked McIntyre. To me, if you're going to punish him or put him on the backburner for over a year for not stepping up, they should be doing the same with 50% of the guys on tv every week. I've actually always kind of liked Drew better than a lot of other guys.
- Santino sucks
- Ryder sucks
Where was AJ?
Pretty good Raw overall though
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Post by MasterSnit on Oct 9, 2012 19:49:02 GMT -5
- Like Vince or not, he showed why he's the shit last night. Punk did officially arrive when he "cut THE promo" last summer, but it's really been since his recent heel turn where I really can finally see him becoming one of those legendary guys in a few years. I think Vince might have secured Ryback's happening last night, and CM Punk's status as the bad guy as well. Sometimes it doesn't have to be a huge win at a PPV that finally makes something stick. A simple slap to someone with the gravitas of a Vince McMahon can do the trick, and it might have for me. I just want to see some sorry son of a pregnant dog get a stone cold stunner. Lol. Austin v Punk would be really good. I don't want that either. I'm not sure what I want with Undertaker for WrestleMania next year. Funny and true. I'm really beginning to like the big nipplemonster. It is a lot better than the Del Rio feud. Then again, Sheamus versus a brick would have been better than that never-ending feud. Yeah, they had a quick little promo a couple of weeks back about getting screwed. Titus grabbed a mic and cut a passionate, quick and effective little promo, then Darren took the mic and said the exact same thing, but fumbled over every line and sounded like a kid. LOL. I'm officially a Jinder Mahal fan now. That dance is brilliant.
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