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Post by Champ on Mar 8, 2010 14:03:49 GMT -5
So after 9 long years, we're getting our monday night wars back. I don't know how you guys feels but I'm totally excited because as soon as Vince ate up all the competition, it seemed as if there was nothing to work hard for anymore. Then all the top stars retired during a segway of young guys being built up, only leaving us with Trips and Taker. Thank God Shawn returned when he did. But I recall 2002 - 2006 just sucking huge balls, with exception of the Snitsky and Batista/evolution storylines.
2007, everything finally got better with exception of RAW. But I noticed Raw getting a little better and a little fresher every week since the last Mondays Impact. I think TNA on Monday is exactly what needed to make RAW better. Then we can anticipate whose contracts run out and jump ship. It's just so much more exciting all around.
So I say, two thumbs up that we're going to get to see Monday Nitro RAW vs. TNA Thunder Impact. I think both shows are only going to get better just as long as Hogan doesn't fossilize TNA into the ground
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Post by Naitch on Mar 8, 2010 14:22:53 GMT -5
I'm for and against this. For because this will hopefully bring out the best in everyone. Against because I don't want to see TNA make some dumb mistakes and die.
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Post by Champ on Mar 8, 2010 16:13:05 GMT -5
I'm optomistic that TNA definitely has at least a few good years in them. Plus, more popular WWE guys will be showing interest in working the lighter schedule for the same money. From what I heard, TNA and Dixie's family have the money to make TNA a big company. So if money isn't the issue, they'll be picking up some better talent as time goes by. It's really about Hogan right now. He needs to get his head out of the ass of the 1980s and realize it's not ALL about the 6'9 330lbs guys anymore
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Post by MasterSnit on Mar 8, 2010 17:46:31 GMT -5
I've never really gave it much thought. It will be interesting to see how things go the next few weeks.
I've not been enjoying Impact much lately so I've not been paying much attention to what is going on. For their first night in a semi-permanent live slot on a Monday night, they really need a good showing tonight. The last one they had a month or two ago was a huge clusterfuck of a show. Random guys were making debuts or returns every five minutes with no purpose.
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Post by Velkontés on Mar 8, 2010 20:08:22 GMT -5
From what I heard, TNA and Dixie's family have the money to make TNA a big company. So if money isn't the issue, they'll be picking up some better talent as time goes by. Not that it makes any difference to me one way or the other, but I'm still baffled at how this company makes any money. They have a big payroll of highly-paid talent and yet hardly anyone buys their PPVs. It's a mystery how they turn a profit, yet they're shooting for the big time. I guess TNA are the Portsmouth FC of wrestling companies. Yes, this is my newest bit.
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Post by Champ on Mar 8, 2010 23:52:48 GMT -5
I don't even think the money came from TNA. I forget how, but Dixie's family is very wealthy. So they have the money to make the money in other words. They really need a mind like Vince running the company. In a recent interview, Hogan claims he taught Vince the wrestling business. But if you think about it, who is the one that really knows how to run the business? We may not agree with everything Vince does, but I'll be damned if he isn't the number one guy I'd turn to for advice on how to make a wrestling corporation work
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Post by Velkontés on Mar 9, 2010 22:01:39 GMT -5
I could watch Sting clobbering RVD with a baseball bat ALL DAY LONG. That was like Sideshow Bob and the rakes.
The three-way wasn't bad. Also:
Eric: The X-Division is the adrenaline of TNA, and if I have anything to do with it, I'm going to make it run bigger, faster and stronger.
Later: makes Shannon Moore #1 Contender.
Great going, Eric!
They gave the Knockouts all of two minutes, maybe? Weak. I suppose they had to keep it short so they could fit in all the yapping and Hogan backstage segments and Dixie Carter walking around with her phone. GAY. At least Daffney showed up.
So I thought it was going okay to start off with, but man, it just fell apart in the second half. Angle and the soldiers was lame. The wolfpac coming on screen bumped the Fossil level too high (and I like Kevin Nash). It felt like there were a dozen pointless backstage segments with Hogan. And the main event was old men bleeding. I'd rather have no blood at all like in the E than that silliness.
Anyway, going back to Nash: so Nash is going to turn on Eric Young and rejoin "The Band", right? Or Young is going to swerve us and join them?
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Post by Champ on Mar 10, 2010 15:24:30 GMT -5
you gotta love it though! He fails no matter what the situation is. It's kind of like when Vince told him to accomplish just 1 goal. It could be ANYTHING. Just accomplish it. So he decides to try and get the belt off Cena....the hardest fuckin thing in the world to do lol
I recall 5 years ago, Cena and agmle were in the same storyline but Angle was playing Kennedy's role. I'm really loving(sarcastically) and appreciating TNA's continuity take off from WWE's
Kevin Nash is the only fossil I enjoy having around. He doesn't come off as old. And for someone who's 6'10, 300lbs, and 50 years old, I don't think there's another man in the world that looks younger and healthier than Nash, even with the silver hair
It's hard to say because Nash has taken beatings some pretty good beatings from them. Usually when it's a swerve, there's not much physical interaction. But, Nash can always say, "Hall was right, I was being a sellout, blah blah blah, so I decided to rejoin the band"
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Post by Velkontés on Mar 11, 2010 10:53:07 GMT -5
That must have been when I was on hiatus, because I don't remember that at all.
One of the problems with Monday's show was that Hogan was out for the first match, AND the last match, AND he came out to confront Sting AND he had two or three backstage segments. It was just way too much Hogan. And then on top of that there was "the band" (and Foley and Jarrett and Dixie Carter but you catch my drift). Fossilmania was running wild.
And for the ex-WWE guys they bring in, they really need to differentiate between the jobbers and the stars. Jeff Hardy, Kenderson and RVD were stars. Shannon Moore, Orlando Jordan and Val Venis were jobbers. By making Shannon Moore #1 contender for the X-Division, they're essentially saying that the jobbiest of WWF jobbers can beat even upper-midcarders on TNA.
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Post by MasterSnit on Mar 11, 2010 17:15:27 GMT -5
I just watched Impact tonight and I mostly enjoyed it.
As was mentioned, there was far too much bullshit again with Hogan. Not so much Bischoff this week, but still plenty.
Shannon Moore running out like some notorious badass and getting put over by Bischoff was lame. Doug Williams should have laughed in their faces.
Maybe it's because I'm not a USA!er but I cringe whenever they involve the U.S. Army in wrestling angles. I think it's about as cheap as they can get.
The BP winning the titles was good. And any Daffney appearance is better than no Daffney appearance.
I am warming to A.J. as Ric Flair 2. He's pulling it off well so far. Although the angle with Flair, Hogan and Abyss isn't really doing it for me.
Evil Sting was great! He was like a cross between present day jaded Jericho and evil Undertaker.
As for the angle with Nash, Young, Hall and Porno-Pac, I still think Nash is turning on Eric Young. As far as I can remember he has only actually taken one beating so far and that was the first one when he got turned on. Since then security has got in the way and a couple of weeks back he supposedly got attacked off camera by Hall with a pipe, while Eric Young got beat all over the place as Nash lay there. That was a big clue for me.
Bubba is annoying.
Randomly turning Beer Money heels was annoying. They are my favourite tag team and it just seemed like a throwaway moment to keep this angle going with Bischoff screwing Jarrett over.
I've seen far worse actresses than Brooke Hogan. Hopefully this Hogan family drama doesn't become a regular storyline. But it will.
Jeff making the save was OK.
All in all I enjoyed the show. Some good, some bad. Can't complain too much. Compared to RAW I would say Impact was the better show.
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Post by Champ on Mar 12, 2010 23:30:31 GMT -5
I tried to find a video on youtube but nothing came up. Around the time in late 2005, Cena made the Marine and started wearing the dog tags and sucking the troops hot dogs. Kurt called them ingrates because Cena was just starting to get some boos. So, WWE started pulling out the stops to get the cheers back. I even remember us saying how lame it was that they had to go as far to have Angle bash the troops just to get Cena overall face heat. I forget if that's when you took off for a while V
Yeah it's kind of like TNA is cashing in on the noteriety that WWE gave guys like Jordan and Shannon but isn't noticing the fact that they didn't get over for a reason more than just "not being booked well". Now the one exception in all of this, to me at least, is Pope Dinero. I thought WWE fucked up big time by getting rid of him and always knew whoever picked him up would hit the jackpot if they knew how to book him. I felt the same way about Matt Morgan back in 2004 when he was "stuttering" Matt Morgan and F5'd Big Show through a table. Morgan and Elijah/Pope were WWE's 2 biggest mistakes in the last 5 years, except for Cena of course
I can speak, as an American, I can do without those angles as well. I really don't care for them. I feel like you're forcing people to cheer for the guy that supports the troops. Kind of like, if I was at a show, and the troops were in the ring and threw Cena up on their shoulders and celebrated, I sure as hell wouldn't cheer, but how can you boo that? Even though, I know and you guys would know I would be booing only Cena, it's still kind of wrong to boo at the troops celebrating for any reason. So yeah, it really is fuckin cheap face heat.
I thought it was terrible at first. But now, I'm almost starting to become amused as in, it's so bad I can't help from laughing at the same time. AJ is such a bad Flair imitator that it's kind of working for that reason
I liked it too. He was fuckin RELENTLESS with the bat! I remember thinking to myself, damn, if only Sting was in the WWE fantasy fare right now lol
Yeah the more I'm thinking about it, Eric Young is just too random for this angle and it has to end in him getting torched, if you look at the big picture
Not to continously sound like a sheep, but I'm pretty much agreeing with you on everything with Mondays Impact MS. My friend came over to watch TNA and I even turned to him and rhetorically asked, why the fuck are they turning Beer Money heel? They're actually enjoyable faces and that's harder to find these days than enjoyable heels. Stupid.
I think Hogan is doing some things for the better. Yet, at the same time he's fucking things up
Better:
- pushing Pope, Daffney, and the BP - turning Sting and AJ heel - getting RVD and Jeff back on tv
Worse:
- Nasty Boys - turning Beer Money heel - thinking people actually give a shit about Hall and X pac
I'm sorry, let me rephrase that,
- thinking people actually STILL give a shit about Hall and X pac
Hold on, I need to rephrase that too
- thinking people actually still give a shit about Hall and X pac
Hmmm, still not good enough. Let me try one more time
- thinking people actually still give ever gave a shit about Hall and X pac
I'm sure there's more to both but I can't think anymore right now
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Post by Velkontés on Mar 13, 2010 3:08:14 GMT -5
I just have bad memory. That does ring a bell now you describe it.
Also better was giving the X guys 10 minutes to do their thing. But worse was making Shannon Moore #1 contender. What TNA giveth, TNA taketh away.
They need to manage their time better as well. If you take 30 minutes of ad breaks out of 2 hours, they've only got 90 minutes to spread around a huge roster. There just isn't time to have numerous Hogan-backstage scenes. Or Dixie Carter being on screen at all. They need to keep the yapping and bullshit short and to the point and try to have three or four 8-10 minute matches each week, give the X guys and the Knockouts time and actually show that they are an alternative to Raw, rather than just Raw on coke.
Oh, and they need to ADVERTISE Jeff Hardy in advance, assuming he isn't going to jail.
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Post by Champ on Mar 13, 2010 15:52:08 GMT -5
I can appreciate the whole "surprise" factor as much as the next guy but, Jesus Christ, Jeff was WWE's biggest draw last summer. He was actually starting to beat out Cena in merch sales. ADVERTISE HIM, YOU IDIOTS! Jeff WILL make ratings go up too! That's like signing Cena and keeping a million kids at home in the dark about him appearing on your show everytime he's in the arena. Then by the time they're done viewing your competition's program, you send the guy out to the ring to close out the last 90 seconds of the show. That's just common sense not to do that.
Guess what Hogan, Jeff Hardy advertised in 2010 will draw more ratings then you advertising yourself!
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Post by Velkontés on Mar 14, 2010 3:27:33 GMT -5
If it's obvious to a couple of idiots on a message board like us, you have to wonder what the geniuses at TNA are thinking. Unless they believe there's a good chance he's going to jail.
Seeing as they like to recycle old angles: AJ Styles should be Hogan and Jeff should be Sting.
And I forgot to say that your X-pac bit had me LMAO. It was funny coz it's true.
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Post by MasterSnit on Mar 15, 2010 15:54:46 GMT -5
Maybe TNA wanted to see how things went with what they had already advertised. Hogan and Flair opening and closing the show is a good way to go for attempting to draw in fans. With Jeff showing up at the end, fans will have caught wind of that and those who are interested by it will watch this week's Impact. It will be interested to see if their views go up with the addition of Jeff Hardy on the show. And maybe that is something they wanted to see themselves, just to see how much of an addition he can be to them by comparing this week to last week.
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