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Post by Naitch on Feb 3, 2010 18:47:18 GMT -5
I don't know about you but I just Locke run away to get Smokey. Ben taught John how to get him so he knows how to.
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Post by Champ on Feb 3, 2010 19:08:06 GMT -5
Locke's definitely the monster. My argument was that something still seemed weird about him from day 1 like MS and I were saying. But if he told Ben that Ben killed the real Locke in LA, that's all we have to go by right now. Even when Locke was talking to Boone, he seemed like such a geek.
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Post by Naitch on Feb 3, 2010 19:17:26 GMT -5
It was that scene that convinced me that you and MS were wrong. Locke was a liar but he sounded confident. How is Locke the monster? They never showed him do anything. Just run away. Ben and Locke know how to activate the monster but thats all we know. The monster was around before Locke died.
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Feb 3, 2010 19:24:39 GMT -5
The Smokester appeared immediately after locke ducked behind a column. Besides Lockes real body is on the beach in the suit! what is Locke if hes not Smokey/Taller Walt/Christian/Alex
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Post by Naitch on Feb 3, 2010 19:40:35 GMT -5
Hes the dude thats hated Jacob for at least 175 years. Sayid isn't the monster but he is Jacob now. The monster dead people seem to drop off a message and leave. John is there on a mission.
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Post by Champ on Feb 3, 2010 20:08:44 GMT -5
I still think after last nite's eps the smoke monster and new Locke are definitely one in the same, just like the man in black and Christian. I guess the loophole was the monster finally found the right body to take shape of to get to Jacob. I really don't know what that loophole thing is still about
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Feb 3, 2010 20:55:54 GMT -5
The recap should said a set of rules meant man in black could not kill Jacob. His loophole was 1-getting into the form of the leader of the others, the dead Locke, and 2-convincing Ben to kill Jacob.
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Post by Champ on Feb 4, 2010 1:37:29 GMT -5
Now that I've had a day to let all of this settle in, the plot is perfectly clear finally. They blew the hatch up and, for whatever reason, they landed back in 2007 with Ben, fake Locke, Sun, Lupenis and friends. They just don't know they're in the same time together. But now they have a brand new past. This explains SO much on why they gave everyone their own episode. I always wondered if there was more to knowing about everyone's past. Obviously, so many questions about the show in general make so much sense now. I'm still a little confused on the whole "others" thing and who the REAL "others" are. I think that's the least interesting part of the storyline for me. I'm really fascinated right now on how the past has changed so much more than anything! The explosion goes off and boom, they're back in 2007. But now with a brand new past, we find out,
1. The plane never ends up crashing, obviously
2. Desmond was on flight 815 and Shannon wasn't
3. Hurley is the "luckiest" man alive and "bad things never happen to him"
4. Charlie actually swallows his stash and almost dies from choking on it instead of leaving it in the toilet.
5. They lost Christian and the casket, claiming it never made it on the plane.
I really feel like the new past is the most fascinating part of the explosion result and that's what I find myself most excited about right now
EDIT:
I just caught something else very interesting. I watched the Eps again to see if I missed anything and I SURE did. The stewardess from 815 that was flirting with Jack, she was with the people that drowned Sayid. When they asked who Jack, Hurley, Kate and Sayid were, she said, "they were on the FIRST flight with me, flight 815."
So that's kind of like our first big clue on the new way they all got to know each other and ended up on the island together in the current 2007. Once again, they were all on the same plane that crashed on the island. But this time it's like 10x more interesting how it all came together because all I can think is, HOW?! How the fork are they going to pull this one off now?!?! It almost seems like the writers dig themselves into holes that we know they'll dig themselves out of by the end of the season. It's really incredible! It's also going to be so much fun seeing as how they will cover it all in just one season
Just for the record, I saw 2 previews. One was the one Naitch posted up with Ben and fake Locke with the Jacob aftermath. The other was the one I found and referred to. It was the scene where you see Jack, Rose and Bernard were back on the plane. So with those 2 scenes, I automatically assumed, everyone from 77 was back on the plane and everyone else was on the island. So my first thought after putting the Locke/Ben 2007 scene together with flight 815(my only two scenes to go by) I really thought we'd see Jin on the plane and not Sun. So that alone came off as a cool concept to me. Then when I saw that everyone was back in 2007 together and the 815 flight just so happened to be a new past, I was totally intrigued. From those 2 scenes, I was expecting ONLY the people form 1977 to be on the plane. Even though that would have been cool, I'm definitely enjoying what saw as opposed to what I thought I was going to see. The complete change in the past opened up an entire new mystery to the show and it's going to be so interesting being informed on how those 3 years are going to end up at the current 2007.
And is it just me or did Jack turn out to be the BIGGEST douche?! Locke was all about saving everyone on the island. Meanwhile, Sawyer, of all people actually helps build the island in 1977. Then Jack strolls right in and ruins EVERYTHING because he couldn't except the fact that Kate rejected him. Now Sawyer's significant other is dead
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Post by Naitch on Feb 4, 2010 9:14:25 GMT -5
Some counter points.
1. Shannon could be in first class.
2. Hurley could be lying about his luck.
3. I think Jack and friends traveled to the future. Like 2037. I think the angry Korean is Jin and the guy that translated into English was Hurley.
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Feb 4, 2010 17:44:27 GMT -5
The new Japanese and Interpreter are called Dogan and Lennon
Dogan literally means the road to strictness or path to discipline.
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Post by Naitch on Feb 4, 2010 19:17:42 GMT -5
The new Japanese and Interpreter are called Dogan and Lennon Dogan literally means the road to strictness or path to discipline. Thats pretty interesting.
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Post by Champ on Feb 5, 2010 3:57:26 GMT -5
Boone told Locke on the plane that Shannon stayed behind! He said he went to Australia to bail his sister out of a bad relationship but she decided to stay in Australia and not fly back with him
I suppose he could have just been talking totally sarcastic to Sawyer when he said that on the plane
One of my theories was that there was a future as well as a past. One of the things I was thinking is that we would eventually find out that Lost's present time was still a past in itself that we were going to find out about. As far as the guys in the future being Hurley and Jin, that's got to be a total longshot. I don't see how that could be possible. But with this show, anything is seemingly possible
The part that is still crazy is the fact that in 2004, the island was at the bottom of the ocean but they're still on it in 2007. I really think it goes back to what Jacob said in the first scene of the last eps in season 5. He said everything going on in everyone's present is just progress. Everything leading up to a certain point, once we all get to the point, all happened already and was meant to happen regardless of the year. So, I'm thinking of something SM read on a forum and it's all making perfect sense now. Everything going on since the explosion, it appears as if 2004 had to happen after 2007 this time around. If the island was dead in 04 but still around in 07, it has to be that 04 is actually the new future of 07.
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Post by Naitch on Feb 5, 2010 4:26:51 GMT -5
Champ, that somehow makes total and no sense at the same time. Good job!
I just rewatched the ep myself. Locke is the smoke monster and I stand corrected.
It seems like the plane flight reality is skewed enough to not be real. I am interested in the relationships between Locke/Jack and Kate/Claire though. See how that goes.
I loved how Jack kinda knew Desmond (from running the stadium) but couldn't place it.
Will Anthony Cooper Sawyer still meet James Ford Sawyer?
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Post by Champ on Feb 5, 2010 4:42:18 GMT -5
Thank you! I 'm trying! SM says I still confuse the shit out of him and I don't know what the hell I'm talking about lol. I get so theory crazed when I watch shows like this and I start getting detached from what's going on right in front of me.
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Post by Naitch on Feb 5, 2010 4:44:46 GMT -5
I think in the last ep they just need to have Lockeness make a camp fire and gather everyone around. And for two hours just fucking explain everything.
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