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Post by Champ on Jun 22, 2009 21:10:27 GMT -5
I think Trips is becoming a 14 time champ tonight. They're advertised to face eachother at the Bash too. I see Trips winning tonight and Randy winning it back Sunday. I couldn't fit Trips on my team though because everyone I got could be a title winner and some Ecw guys could actually get more than one title win in the match Sunday
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Post by MasterSnit on Jun 23, 2009 14:32:53 GMT -5
Warning everyone right now. The Ecw title scramble match, all title wins count. Last scramble match, everyone that made a pinfall got announced as the champion. So if someone makes a pinfall in this match, they get credited with a title win but not a match win. If Dreamer retains but has to win back the belt first, he will be awarded with a title win and not a retain. Match win goes to whoever is holding the belt after the 20 minutes is up Ach. I never read that before picking my team. Did we score it like that for the last scramble? I don't agree with that way of scoring the match because the bell still only rings once to begin the match and once to end it. Anything that happens inbetween is only temporary. What about the Triple H Vs Orton match then. Is that going to be looked upon as three seperate matches? That's another hard match to define.
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Jun 23, 2009 17:41:34 GMT -5
a 3 stages of hell is a single 2 out of 3 falls match
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Post by Champ on Jun 24, 2009 4:33:43 GMT -5
It was mid season and I put up a post saying that's how it had to be scored because it gave me no other alternative
Match point and title points are still two different things. You don't need a bell to win a title. GMs hand over titles and they get scored as title wins. Bells are only for a match beginning and ending. I see where this can be easily argued. Trust me. I had to think about this one after the first scramble matches. But, I decided I'm scoring it like this because the last scramble actually met every possible requirement of a title win and, in the end, I couldn't argue it any other way even though part of me wanted to disagree with myself. But the bottom line is, in a scramble match, 1. The guy gets the pin, 2 the ref signals to the time keeper and a buzzer goes off confirming the fall, and 3 that man is the recognized champion with a message underneath referring to that him as the current champion. It all falls into every place of a fantasy title win. However, actual match win points are only awarded to the guy who wins the match. Don't forget that match wins and title wins are still two different things. It's easy to assume that title wins are supposed to go hand in hand with match wins. This is still scored as one match except the bell rings a bunch of times to award a competitor a championship after pinfalls
If I was going to sum it up in two sentences it's like this, the pinfall wins the wrestler the title. Winning the match simply just secures the title win
As SM put it, it's one match because it's still a two out of three falls match. Since the title of the match and the rules speak for themselves, it gets scored as one match. Same with a gauntlet match. Even though there could be 3 matches inside of one it's still scored as one match because the rules of the match is basically to have a couple of matches. The best way to compare this is, objects are inherent in object matches. Just as, multiple matches are inherent in matches where the special rules are to have multiple matches. Multiple matches are only scored in one segment if the ref ends the match and somehow they restart it. In that case, since the match restart wasn't in the rules for the one on one, they get awarded the second set of match points.
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Post by MasterSnit on Jun 25, 2009 5:46:35 GMT -5
I understand why you score it that way, but I think the "current champion" part is just the selling point of that particular match. When someone gets a pin they are declared the champion, but not the champion... at least until the end of the match. An example of why I feel it is wrong would be the scoring for an Iron Man match. Both matches are similar, but during an Iron Man match, no-one is considered the champion until it is over. If Wrestler A got the first pinfall in an Iron Man match, by the same logic of the scramble, they would be the "current" champion, but that isn't considered and a champion is only recognised after the 60 minutes.
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Post by Champ on Jun 26, 2009 5:33:48 GMT -5
In an Iron man match, there is no title changes. The only reason it's scored in the scramble is because the guy who made the pin becomes the recognized champion. The champion going into the match actually loses the title to that guy. They're two completely different matches in the way the officials score it. The announcers say the guy who made the pinfall won the title and WWE makes it official by referring to the guy as the current champion in the box on the bottom of the screen. All the rules are in effect for a fantasy title win. It has nothing to do with record books. I think that's where you're confusing yourself. Also, the scramble match is the only match that's scored like this because it's the only match we've ever seen where the title changes without the match ending. Any other match isn't scored this way.
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Post by MasterSnit on Jun 26, 2009 14:28:40 GMT -5
Champ, I understand all that you're saying and why the wrestlers would be awarded points for a title win. I'm simply looking at the match from my own point of view without taking the fantasy rules into account. The "current champion" thing, I believe, is just a selling point for the match. No-one is really winning the title during the match at all. There is only one title change, if any, and one winner when the time limit is reached. Anything that has happened before that is temporary.
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Post by Champ on Jun 26, 2009 17:53:17 GMT -5
Oh yeah, fantasy rules aside, it makes no sense in actually calling the guy the champion if he doesn't go down in the record books as the champ. If anything they should just say, the guy with the last pinfall "will become" champion if no one else gets pinned before the time runs out. Or simply say, the guy with the last pinfall is "in the lead"
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Post by Champ on Jul 15, 2009 8:22:16 GMT -5
I went insane and deducted 250 points from my team. Not out of pity! I just think it'll be more fun if we keep the scores closer. I was just WAY too far ahead lol. Not rubbing it in! I'm just losing the desire to pick good teams
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Post by MasterSnit on Jul 15, 2009 14:24:16 GMT -5
Yeah, rub it in why don't you?!
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Post by Champ on Jul 19, 2009 14:47:41 GMT -5
Fear not yet! If it wasn't for DH and Jericho, I actually had a pretty lousy Smackdown
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Post by GLF on Jul 27, 2009 16:22:33 GMT -5
I have been believing too much newz about Jeff's contract supposedly being up soon. I didn't think he would win the belt so ruled him out of my team for last week
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Post by Champ on Jul 27, 2009 19:18:38 GMT -5
That's exactly why I figured Jeff would win. He's got to give the humanoids that one last run before he jobs back to Punk at summerslam. His last 2 title wins were failures
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Post by Snitskyman2016 on Jul 28, 2009 16:21:09 GMT -5
Champ and GLF, do you guys discuss your picks prior to entering them for that week? Your picks this week are identical, and it's not the first time I've noticed this.
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Post by MasterSnit on Jul 28, 2009 16:57:13 GMT -5
You can't trust anyone around here!
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