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Post by Velkontés on May 21, 2013 0:36:49 GMT -5
I should have known someone here would have heard of this band. ![:)](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) I like the idea of Kickstarter too, Naitch. If you're a fledgling band with a small following and a couple of poorly-recorded Youtube videos of your songs, and you need $5,000 to hire a studio to cut an album, to see if maybe you've got what it takes, and if you're upfront about where the money is going, and you are realistic about your goals (and you achieve them, too), then that's great. But it looks like some people are taking the piss and using it is as a masquerade for begging. Especially established acts, which Eisley sort of is. If you can't afford to tour you should be scaling back to suit your means so you can afford it, rather than expecting The Internet to cough up the dough so you can feel like a bigshot. There's no Earthly reason why Eisley's bandmembers deserve to not have to work normal jobs (to support the children FOUR of them had - hey, you have to make sacrifices) like the rest of us. On the other hand, if people want to give them money, more power to them, I suppose. The crazy part is they've raised $60,000. They should see that as a success, not a failure. The craziest Kickstarter I've heard of recently is Zack Braff - someone who starred on a hit network sitcom for nearly 10 years, so must have made some serious coin - asking for $2m to fund a film he had written. You know, rather than use his own money he begged for it. And he got it.
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Post by Naitch on May 21, 2013 22:10:51 GMT -5
I'm guessing whatever movie Braff made was an indy film, since 2 mil is pretty cheap for making a movie. I'm fine with it, because now he can make the movie he wants without studio interference. Lot's of people don't spend there own money on making movies and albums. Heck, Mickie James used Kickstarter (or something similar) to fund her last country album.
The only thing that bothered me with Eisley's fan rewards is that one of them that the article pointed out was coffee with the band IF they have time. So, if you spend the money for that reward, it is also a gamble.
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Post by MasterSnit on May 23, 2013 5:05:05 GMT -5
Zack Braff - someone who starred on a hit network sitcom for nearly 10 years, so must have made some serious coin - asking for $2m to fund a film he had written. You know, rather than use his own money he begged for it. And he got it. ![](http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_UNTVuUwIDfI/TC271XLLbjI/AAAAAAAAAaY/x0aF8Q0qPyA/s400/yet_another_picard_facepalm%5B1%5D.jpg) I don't even want to know. LOL. Brazen as hell.
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Post by Velkontés on May 23, 2013 14:39:39 GMT -5
The thing about Coffee With Eisley is that Kickstarter isn't an investment site, it's essentially a donation site. You are making a charitable donation, if you happen to get something in return it's a bonus. That's why I find the idea of established acts or successful sitcom stars using Kickstarter - and people chucking money at them - somewhat weird. It should be a lot easier for Zack Braff to get a movie funded than for you or me to get a movie funded.
(It's still very stupid how they presented that "reward" though)
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Post by Champ on May 26, 2013 11:43:46 GMT -5
I just read the eisley thing. One guy said it perfect in response to it.
Having to ask for $100,000 is Gods way of telling you your band sucks. If they were really that good they wouldn't be in this position
Also that's pretty fucking ballsy. That crosses the line of taking advantage if you ask me
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Post by Naitch on May 28, 2013 11:20:02 GMT -5
Looks like this boards favorite comedian just got in on the Kickstarter band wagon.
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Post by MasterSnit on Jun 6, 2013 18:28:17 GMT -5
Yeah, he's spot on with that.
This is the second time I've replied here with the intention of giving my thoughts on Kickstarter but I can't really get the words out. I mean, if it's something that really does need funding from fans who want to get involved in order to experience something they will enjoy, then fine. On the other hand, Scrubs guy exploiting idiots for millions of dollars just makes me shake my head.
Personally I would find it really hard to ask someone for their money in order to enjoy myself with. Then to not repay them and give them little or no reward in return... I just can't dig that.
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Post by Naitch on Jun 6, 2013 20:38:04 GMT -5
On the other hand, Scrubs guy exploiting idiots for millions of dollars just makes me shake my head. I'm replying to debate you good sir. Almost no one makes albums, movies, whatever with there own money. This is a way around the talking suites for many people. If Scrubs McGee wants to try to raise $2 mil, fine, let him try. I don't have to give him a cent, guilt free. If I am interested in his thing, than all I am is an outside investor, only out of what I had deemed that I could afford to lose. I know what I get back, whether I qualify for a cool prize or not. That is on me, not him. Also, since you two are so against this guy using Kickstarter, are you two also against Mickie James using it to make a country album?
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Post by Champ on Jun 9, 2013 0:42:43 GMT -5
YES! lol
I mean, I see both sides. Here's why,
I don't agree with raising the money. They can do what my bands and I did, GET A JOB and find a studio that will do a decent live recording for you for like $50 - $75 an hour. Your album does not need to be the shit until you actually are under a promoter's care anyway. The only reason my bands never had luck(if we didn't suck) is because we were lazy. I was in a heavy pop rock band with a chick singer 1999-2002. That band was totally over and had a following but we did nothing about it. We recorded 5 songs for not much money and they came out great because the engineer believed in us. I think based on that alone, if we really wanted the world to hear us we could've done great things. We had 4 or 5 songs that were #1 on Soundclick.com too. That was a site for local unsigned and signed bands with hundreds of bands and we kept taking our songs to #1. But we didn't try hard enough. I know I didn't lol. I never wanted to be famous truthfully. But we never had to spend a lot of money for that.
Now on the OTHER HAND lol, if someone is going to use the kickstarting method and raise money for their albums, that is totally on the buttmunches stupid enough to fund these people. OR maybe they really believe in them. I still don't get it or buy it. However, one thing Naitch did mention is, whoever funds them, it's on them.
In a nutshell, I think the fundees are selfish and the funders are idiots lol
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Post by Velkontés on Jun 9, 2013 8:16:37 GMT -5
I think Mickie James has a bit of cheek doing Kickstarter, but to a lesser extent that someone who is a multi-millionaire with lots of contacts in the biz.
What Champ said. If there isn't a market for Mickie James' album she shouldn't be blowing a boatload of money on making it. Make it cheap, and if it sells 50,000 copies then you know what your market is and will have the budget to plan accordingly.
I think what irritates me about that Eisley article is their sense of entitlement. Rather than live within their means - i.e. as a small-scale indie band with some following - they are demanding the perks and lifestyle of a band several magnitudes larger than that. And basically begging for the money to achieve that rather than, you know, release better records that more people will buy and show up to gigs for. And Mickie James is demanding the perks and treatment of a moderately-established act when really she's at the bottom rung of the ladder.
I have no problem at all with people seeking financial reward for their artistic endeavours, but they've got to see those endeavours as a product in a marketplace and not see themselves as special flowers who deserve to blow $100,000 on a tour. Fuck that.
But like I said before, if people want to donate money to these people, then whatever. Free country. It won't stop me thinking dimly of the people begging for that money, though.
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Post by MasterSnit on Jun 13, 2013 13:37:28 GMT -5
I think we all seem to have a similar opinion on this matter. It shouldn't really bother us if someone, whoever they are, is putting out their hands for someone else's money if we don't care about their project, or about the people involved in the process. The method just seems to have too many holes in it that can result in stupid people being taken advantage of.
In the case of Mickie James asking for money from her fans, if she doesn't get what she is asking for will she just put her project on the shelf and maybe try again another time. No, she'll probably just find another way to do it, like work a little more and save a little more until she can do it. She probably knows all too well though that there are fans out there who will willingly pull back and flick some coins off of their stiffy at her if she asks for it.
Also, it's not just music and films that people are requesting hand outs for. When I was on the site there were people looking for funding for writing their books and graphic novels and such things. What exactly are people funding here? Are they funding the steady supply of coffee and doughnuts the writer needs to write. Or the newest edition of photoshop the artist needs to acquire?
I'm sure there are projects on there that are well worth people getting involved with, however, I think Champ sort of summed things up well with this:
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Post by Velkontés on Jul 18, 2013 14:08:52 GMT -5
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Researchers from the University of Oxford and three other institutions also analysed changes to millions of articles from 10 different languages.
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Post by MasterSnit on Jul 25, 2013 15:29:56 GMT -5
John Cena is an American professional wrestler.
John Cena is an American professional wrestler. He totally sucks.
John Cena is an American professional wrestler. He only has five moves.
John Cena is an American professional wrestler. He can't even wrestle.
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